Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by JollyRoger, Jun 29, 2012.
Yeah, NBC's selective editing was nonsense wasn't it?
There's a big gap between knowing and believing (beyond a reasonable doubt)
We know Zimmerman shot Trayvon
We know the jury found him not guilty of murder
We don't know who was the aggressor. We don't know if it realy was self defence.
You mean what one editor did at NBC and was even fired for doing so, despite it not being really important at all?
I'm just pointing out that we know that Pat knows that GZ shot Trayvon but for some reason JR felt the need to point this out to him as if he didn't.
I thought that he was arrested and charged, because the state thought they had enough evidence to convict him. Some people claim that it was a witch hunt. There are many conclusions that can be drawn now that it is over. I have always claimed Z made the mistake by getting out of his truck and following M, even if it was reasonable to do.
I never said that Z was a villain because he was smiling. I alleged he was smiling because the law came down on his side. And it was not a statement. It was an assertion that could be made, if one based their arguments on belief.
Do we now know that?
Perhaps Mr. Z will author a book or sell movie rights and then we will all be free of assumption?
Although a good point, maybe "old white guy" was referring to a choice of posters here ...
Probably not, but it would make the quote valid.
I did not grant capitals. Why do you assume they are merited ?
So where are the riots? I was promised riots!
It isn't really a need - it is more of a sport.
hey Form, are you gonna explain that 2 minute gap?
How did Z walk around the T for 2 minutes and never see Martin while M saw him twice?
you kept raising this as evidence Z was lying and you wont defend your BS
Guess you won't answer the question then.
You got that completely backwards, as usual. It is "Z" and his high-priced attorneys who never explained why he couldn't walk a few dozen yards to his truck in 2 minutes. OTOH Martin was obviously just minding his own business standing while black and finishing the conversation with his friend before heading back to the condo.
He did explain it - you need to present evidence contradicting him.
And he didn't walk a few dozen yards, he walked thru the T eastward so far that M lost sight of him, M was at the T the whole time. Thats when the dispatcher told Z not to pursue M and Z returned thru the T a 2nd time on his way back to his truck. We know from the GF that M saw him a 2nd time - that creepy ass cracker was back and M let him walk by again and then ambushed him.
How else do you explain Z walking around the T for 2 minutes without seeing M?
He didn't walk around the T, he walked thru it - thats why M lost sight of him for 1-2 minutes.
And he was hiding from Z's sight, maybe that wasn't his intent, but Z walked right thru the T twice and never saw M. But M was watching him and he ambushed Z
Zimmerman claimed to already be at the T when he got off the phone with the police. It would have taken him no more than 30 seconds to walk the rest of the way to the road to get his precious address he never actually got, and another 30 more seconds at most to walk back to the T. That leaves an entire minute not accounted for even if you do believe a known serial liar. He had more than sufficient time to make it back to his truck if that was actually his intention instead of yet another obvious lie.
Didn't you watch the recorded testimony from "Z" himself or the closing arguments at all? How could "M" have possibly been at the T the entire time when "Z" had two flashlights and even claimed "M" approached him from the south walking towards the T? You can't just keep making stuff up merely because the facts and even the statements of "Z" himself disagree with what you wish occurred.
Fwiw, I think the real racists are the ones completely unable to accept the finding in this case.
I mean really, why is it beyond the pale to imagine that an athletic young black man wouldn't go after some guy following him at night?
How is it a lie? Did Z deny a couple minutes elapsed between his call and M confronting him? All you got is your estimate of how long it took for Z to walk back and forth on the T and you've invented a missing minute.
Didn't you say his batteries failed leaving him with a little key chain flashlight? And you think he should have seen M with his flashlight because... because M was just standing there out in the open? M was standing near the T and he was hiding, and when Z walked by him a 2nd time heading back to his truck, M came at him from behind.
And you're nuts if you think there were no bushes around there. Talk about making stuff up, these threads are a testament to the media misinformation you've been repeating like the gospel.
All that is certain is that there was a confrontation. Since one of the participants had a gun, the other ended up dead. That's hardly a reasonable outcome.
Apparently, Zimmerman didn't expect it.
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