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Vigilante "Get off My Lawn" Justice Apparently Alive And Well In Florida

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Formaldehyde, Sep 28, 2010.

  1. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Missouri doesn't have a stand-your-ground law. Yet.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

     
  2. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Shouldn't the amount of force used in the defence be reasonable with respect to the amount of force used in the attack?

    I mean, you don't shoot a guy in the head with a shotgun if he pushes you.
     
  3. illram

    illram Deity

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    From reading the story I don't see how that is not murder, plain and simple.
     
  4. bhsup

    bhsup Deity

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    Whacha smokin' Willis? We've had a castle doctrine law since 2007 or 2008.
     
  5. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    I'm not black so racial epithets are pretty well lost on me.

    Stand-your-ground is a specific modification to the Castle Doctrine law. As the article clearly shows, Missouri hasn't passed it. Yet.
     
  6. illram

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    Castle doctrine still requires reasonable self defense. Castle doctrine doesn't mean you get to kill people if they piss you off.

    Also this guy apparently traveled across the street to guard his castle?
     
  7. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    With stand-your-ground, your castle moves wherever you are as long as you have a legal right to be there.
     
  8. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Interesting local news video where one of the skateboarders claims that James had turned around and was walking away when Dooley pulled the gun on him. James then tried to take the gun away from him in self-defense:


    Link to video.
     
  9. capslock

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    When you are a 70 year old man, do expect to be able to defend yourself in a fist fight against anyone? The colt .45 earned the name "the great equalizer" for a reason...


    Either way, I don't think they let him go because of this law, I don't think the article gives that impression, either. I expect this guy is going to be tried for murder, if he isn't then I'll start getting annoyed.
     
  10. bhsup

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    My God, man, do you see race in EVERYTHING? How in hell do you go through life like that?
     
  11. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Too soon? Recently posted in a different thread:

     
  12. Miles Teg

    Miles Teg Nuclear Powered Mentat

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    Admittedly, that sign is hilarious.
     
  13. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    Im really curious as to see what the top of the sign that says "pork" says.
     
  14. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

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    Cut and dried.
     
  15. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Why would you let a murder suspect go short of him making bail after a bail hearing?
     
  16. Holycannoli

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    The only problem is you can only use deadly force vs a threat of death or great bodily harm to yourself and another (or prevent the commission of a forcible felony which in no way applies here)

    How in the world is the defense gonna convince a jury that this man was afraid of death or great bodily harm? (my thoughts on this change slightly in last paragraph but I'm leaving this first sentence here) I was on a jury that acquitted a man who pointed a gun at someone who came at his car with a Club in his hand (the steering wheel lock Club), because the defense argued that great bodily harm was possible from this man. The prosecution was pissed but screw them, the charges were bogus.

    In this case though the prosecution should have no trouble whatsoever. The burden of proof is technically theirs, but this is one of those cases where a jury will need serious convincing from the defense instead of the prosecution.

    My concern is that he hasn't been arrested or named as a suspect yet, which tells me some of those conflicting reports say the victim was threatening the guy in some way. I'd love to get more details on this because it may be one of those cases where on the surface the shooter looks 100% guilty, but the details tell a different story.
     
  17. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    What? A 41-year-old man who just retired from the Air Force versus a 69-year-old? And if no charges are brought it obviously doesn't require a defense attorney to get him off.
     
  18. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    If the shooter pulled the gun after the initial confrontation, then murder.
     
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    As a Florida native and a big supporter of being able to defend yourself and the 2nd amendment I actually support the Stand your Ground law.
     
  20. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

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    How do you feel about just being able to cap guys playing ball with their kid?
     

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