Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
I may upload a small Peleponnesian (SP?) War cenario I've been working on today within the next few weeks, so that everyone can have a look.
Virote's Ancient Greek Scenario
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Virote_Considon
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Bump: Uploaded 2 pictures- 1 linked (so it doesn't strech the page) in the "techs" part, and another in the "Screenshots" part.
Nice text 
But there were many revolts in Sparta. By the helots mostly (perhaps the perioikoi also had revolted sometimes though). Infact the threat of a helot revolt appears to have been existant always, which is why so many of them were displaced from the city to its only colony, Taras (Taranto).
Also from what i've read Sparta in the beginning used to have a very strong culture, and be one of the main cities that exported purple dye. Later on this changed, so perhaps you could have some special tech, such as "Draconian law" to demosntrate the change
But there were many revolts in Sparta. By the helots mostly (perhaps the perioikoi also had revolted sometimes though). Infact the threat of a helot revolt appears to have been existant always, which is why so many of them were displaced from the city to its only colony, Taras (Taranto).
Also from what i've read Sparta in the beginning used to have a very strong culture, and be one of the main cities that exported purple dye. Later on this changed, so perhaps you could have some special tech, such as "Draconian law" to demosntrate the change
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Could you see where the tech "Draconian Law" could be placed? Also, any information on said Spartan revolts would be greatly appretiated (then the text canbe changed from something along the lines of "this may have been good from stoping the revolts" to "this may have been built to make citizens happier, and thus have less of a chance of revolting". 
Virote_Considon
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I thought there was something wierd, as I know that Draconian law was named after an Athenian "Tyrant", who wasn't an amazingly bad ruler.
Probably some military building should decrease probability of revolt, in the case of Sparta
Apart from the Spartan-Messenian wars (helots mostly were enslaved Messenians) there are a few cases of large scale revolt, triggered by instability (Peloponnesian war) or unrest triggered by other factors (such as in the case of an earthquake). There is a general list of those events here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helot
Apart from the Spartan-Messenian wars (helots mostly were enslaved Messenians) there are a few cases of large scale revolt, triggered by instability (Peloponnesian war) or unrest triggered by other factors (such as in the case of an earthquake). There is a general list of those events here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helot
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Hmm, having read your article, I havn't seen any reference to revolts in the city of Sparta itself. Maybe I should make that more clear in the entry.
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the Spartans should have a tech called the "Lycurgian Reforms", that's when they transformed their society into a militaristic warrior state with state-funded and state-sanctioned perpetual slavery of helots
Virote_Considon
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Instead of "Slavery"?
Well it covers more than slavery. Sparta had failed to dominate a smaller competator in a war and this had resulted in ebarasment. The Lycurgian Reforms interoduced the the Sparta we are all now familiar with. It was the catalyst that changed them from a weak underachiever to the Military Elite we think of when Sparta is mentioned.
So it should cover the whole Militaristic makeup of their society, the Helots Slavery just being one element of their new, specialised caste-like system.
So it should cover the whole Militaristic makeup of their society, the Helots Slavery just being one element of their new, specialised caste-like system.
Virote_Considon
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Yes, but in the tech tree should it replace slavery? (This tech gives all 3 of the Hoplites the ability to enslave, and the Officer+Cavalry that come after.)
Virote_Considon
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So, back onto discussion, does anyone have any idea who should fill the now 3 spaces remaining?
Virote_Considon
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Rhodes is pretty much covered by the Dorians.
Could you give me any more info on the other civs that you posted?
Some ideas that I've been toying with are:
-Delphi (Would be aiming for a 1 city cultural victory, maybe can't build any more settlers...)
-Syria (AI controlled civ)
-Elis (Would possibly be part of the Spartan+Corinthian tech tree?)
-Cyprus (AI controlled, again. Maybe the civ could actually be EGYPT, who had control of Cyprus, IIRC...)
Could you give me any more info on the other civs that you posted?
Some ideas that I've been toying with are:
-Delphi (Would be aiming for a 1 city cultural victory, maybe can't build any more settlers...)
-Syria (AI controlled civ)
-Elis (Would possibly be part of the Spartan+Corinthian tech tree?)
-Cyprus (AI controlled, again. Maybe the civ could actually be EGYPT, who had control of Cyprus, IIRC...)
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Syria sounds very good to me.Virote_Considon said:
I'm not sure about those 2...Virote_Considon said:
I've never heard of Elis. Could be a good idea, I don't know.Virote_Considon said:
Caria is the home of the Mausoleum so I figured might make a good addition as it is one of the ancient wonders.
http://www.livius.org/cao-caz/caria/caria.html
Pontus was a powerfull kingdom in northern Turkey. Mithridates is just such a cool guy, I figured these might make a good addition. Hanibal Barca fought for them as a mercenary after the second Punic War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontus
Pergamum were a staunch Roman ally in Asia Minor, and was later inherited by the Republic. They fought the Galatians had the second biggest Hellenic library after Alexandria and invented a type of parchment to replace papyrus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pergamum
Cappadocia is the part of Turkey were the Hittites originated. It has a long history of different peoples. It fought in a lot of wars against Pontus, was involved in Roman civil wars. It was used as an administrative unit for the Roman, Pesian and Seleucids, but thinking about it now, you already have the Hittites so these are probably unneccisary.
Rhodes, as you point out, can be covered by the Dorians.
http://www.livius.org/cao-caz/caria/caria.html
Pontus was a powerfull kingdom in northern Turkey. Mithridates is just such a cool guy, I figured these might make a good addition. Hanibal Barca fought for them as a mercenary after the second Punic War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontus
Pergamum were a staunch Roman ally in Asia Minor, and was later inherited by the Republic. They fought the Galatians had the second biggest Hellenic library after Alexandria and invented a type of parchment to replace papyrus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pergamum
Cappadocia is the part of Turkey were the Hittites originated. It has a long history of different peoples. It fought in a lot of wars against Pontus, was involved in Roman civil wars. It was used as an administrative unit for the Roman, Pesian and Seleucids, but thinking about it now, you already have the Hittites so these are probably unneccisary.
Rhodes, as you point out, can be covered by the Dorians.
Elis was a rather strong polis, and also the home of the Olympic games, since Olympia was part of the Elis chain of cities. In my map you could fit two cities for it; Elis and Olympia, and give Olympia the olympic games wonder 
Virote_Considon
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varwnos said:Elis was a rather strong polis, and also the home of the Olympic games, since Olympia was part of the Elis chain of cities. In my map you could fit two cities for it; Elis and Olympia, and give Olympia the olympic games wonder
The amount of cities that can be fit onto the map shouldn't matter, as every civ just starts with the settler and warrior equivalent.
Also, Olympia is in the Athenian city list, would you suggest that it goes in Elis' (should they get in) city list, Athens city list, or both (so whoever builds it first get it)? Any ideas for other cities or leaders?
@Tathlum:
Caria is pretty much the Dorian lands. I do like the idea of Pergamum but I think that it could interfere with civs already there (I mean, Pergamum has Troy and Lydia in its boundries, and looks "boxed in" by the Dorians, Hittites and Celts).
Thinking about including Pontus, however, looks like a good idea. Could you give me any more info on them?
Also, looking at general maps, I think I should include Syria, or maybe even Armenia.
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