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Virote's Unit Previews

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Creation & Customization' started by Virote_Considon, Sep 25, 2006.

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  1. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    Now that I've managed to use poser without getting convinced the machines are against me, I've got a couple of unit previews! (see later in the thread for previews ;))

    My to do list:
    01. Generic Balkan Horseman (for Partizanac)
    02. Serbian Knight+Cavalry (for Partizanac)
    03. Bosnian " "
    04. Croatian" "
    05. Dacian Units
    XX. Agamemnon
    YY. Anything else that I've promised people that I'd do (although I may need help remembering ;))
     
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  2. Stormrage

    Stormrage Ever Present Taskmaster

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    Is that a chicken leg on Ag`s shield? :confused:

    I think Diomedes, a great war hero, and a nobleman could afford a bit more armor than a loincloth? Also, history dudes, what about them helmets?
     
    Stormrage, Sep 25, 2006
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  3. mrtn

    mrtn Shaven not stirred

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    I agree with Stormy about the armour. Though I'm unsure if they used the typical hoplites helmet that early (i e covering the face)...:hmm: If yes, they should have crests instead of those top knots.

    Otherwise it looks like a solid start on your units. :)
     
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  4. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    1. Nope, it's just a normal leg. It was the only round sheild I had when I started making the unit, and I quite like it. :D


    2.Diomedes was such a great war hero, that he didn't NEED armor :p

    Besides, I didn't want him overshadowing Agamemnon. Agamemnon wouldn't like that :p

    3. I went with those helmets because IMO they look remarcably Mycenian, or any pre-classical European, non-Germanic civilization, TBO.

    Thanks for the input.
     
    Virote_Considon, Sep 25, 2006
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  5. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    Here's a Mycenaean Warrior that I've found, if this helps:

     
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  6. Stormrage

    Stormrage Ever Present Taskmaster

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    The thing is, Virote, my friend, that if these are trully to represent Agamemnon and Diomedes, as king units or such, old Diomedes is gonna need a heckuva lot more armor, he doesn`t even have standard grunt armor! The man needs grieves, a cuirass, brace(r?)s (so does Agamemon), and a better shield.

    Like this he can be used as arrow fodder.

    A leg? WTF? :confused:
     
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  7. Quinzy

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    a leg was often used on shields IIRC.

    they look good Virote!
     
    Quinzy, Sep 25, 2006
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  8. Plotinus

    Plotinus Philosopher Administrator

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    Useful shield tip: despite the good shields that our talented prop makers have created, you can actually get away with using a Cylinder primitive squashed to the right proportions. The advantage of this is that you can simply apply any bitmap of your choosing to create a new shield design (this is much simpler than trying the same thing with a proper shaped shield, since they have various faces and things). I did this with the shields on my African spearmen and, at civ level, I think it looks pretty good. So if you want a quick method of creating new shield designs, this is a possibility.

    Very nice looking units, by the way!
     
    Plotinus, Sep 25, 2006
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  9. Grandraem

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    Very nice! I don't know historically how they should be dressed, but they look nice. I'm looking forward to seeing them animated.:)
     
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  10. Bjornlo

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    They look perhaps too much like peas in a pod.
    I would suggest differentiating them.
    Also, are they to be king units or ?? You named them not as greek or Trojan warriors but after specific individuals.
    It would be nice if they both had a little armor... the fella with the beard... maybe grow the beard some. The other one, perhaps a different helmet, one with a nose guard... a different style of plumb? etc...
    I'm sure it is accurate but I never liked that sheild with a leg on it.
     
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  11. Spacer One

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    Agamemnon should have a much longer beard...he was "Aged" during the Trojan War...Also, he should throw the spear for attack A(If he has to have a spear) and pull out a sword...The King would only have fought with a sword tho I think...also, the greaves(are missing) and leggings should be hard leather colored

    Diomedes doesnt need more "armor" but a leather tunic would be proper...and his helm should have the nose guard if you can swing it...also greaves and leggings as well (Almost all solidiers of the time wore leather arm and leg guards I think)

    They both look GREAT as units...cant wait...
     
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    Well, if you want to keep' em as is, I'd change their names to something like.. "Juan and Jorge, the Hoplite Brothers".
     
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    Well, if anyone speaks Spanish, they can go here and see how accurate a rendition of Diomedes this might be:
     
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  14. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    @ Bjornlo: These are going to be capturable "Barbarians" that you find on your travels in my Greek Scenario. they can be upgraded to better units. However, I may give Agamemnon strait to Mycenae.

    Thanks for the advise, guys. Here's the changes I'm considering:
    1. Copy Diomedes. He can be some kind of basic infantry unit, especially if I take away the cape

    Agamemnon:
    1. Find some way of growing the beard (Any suggestions on how?)
    2. Change the colours of his shin guards
    3. Look for greaves for him

    Diomedes:
    1. Give him a nose guard. (I'll just make a small simple bronze-cooured object)
    2. Give him Shinguards
    3. Give him some kind of shirt, coloured the same as his kilt.

    Also, the reason I'm not giving them swords is that I have a Greek Sword made by CivArmy, but I can't seem to make it look like the units are realistically holding them (Meaning that I get them right, change the position of the camera, and see a huge gap between the hand and the sword).
     
    Virote_Considon, Sep 26, 2006
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  15. Bjornlo

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    I can share the beard I used on my norse man if you want it.
    Greaves should be simple to make, if you can't find any. Although, you can probably just use a cylinder for it.
     
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  16. Stormrage

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    Wait.. I`m confusing Greaves with shinguards. Did the greeks wear greaves?
     
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    Greaves are Shin Guards...I am in error on the names...Im not sure what the arm guards are called...my apologies for the confusion Stormy

    Greek Hoplite in Greaves:
    http://public.srce.hr/husar/Greek Hoplite 5th Cent BC.jpg

    This is how I picture Diomedes:

    http://argyll.epsb.ca/mkarstad/news/imagesinnews/hoplite.jpg

    also, as I look through pics...I notice that often the Greaves(legs) and Arm guard thing, is often worn on only 1 arm and/or leg...and it is the non-sword arm(if no shield)...and the shield side leg...
     
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  18. Bjornlo

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    Arm guards / Arm armor are usually called bracers.
     
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  19. Plotinus

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    Beard growing: that prop should have some inbuilt morphs. Fiddle with those and see what happens. If that's not enough, try increasing its scale on the Y axis. You'll have to move it on his face if you do that, too, of course.

    Sword moving: best thing to do here is to move the camera so that it's face-on. Now move the sword, but only along the X and Y axes. Do it using the dials, not by dragging the sword itself. Now move the camera so that it's side-on. Move the sword along the Z axis in a similar way. Swap between them to fine-tune it. The point about using the dials rather than dragging the object itself is that you know it's only moving along that axis. When you drag the object, you are in effect moving your mouse in a 2D plane but trying to represent movement in a 3D world, and the program doesn't know precisely what movement you're trying to do. Which is why it all looks wrong as soon as you move the camera.
     
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  20. Spacer One

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    Bracers...(slaps self) I knew that...
    Thanks for jogging the rusty memory banks Bjornlo...
     
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