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Visionary Wonders Thread

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by BaneFire, Oct 7, 2020.

  1. BaneFire

    BaneFire Warlord

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    This is a thread to suggest some visionary wonders, that being wonders that were planned by historic societies but never constructed for whatever reason.

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    Volkshalle
    Requires Totalitarianism and Secularism

    Whipping gives Great Person points in the city Volkshalle was built in.
    +6 Great Artist points

    Commentary: Volkshalle was the Nazi German project for Berlin planned for the post-war victory. This is represented by Totalitarianism and Secularism, and if possible I'd say a settled great general in the city. The reference to whipping is due to Albert Speer's role in the Nazi slavery program, and serves to connect that with an idea of lots of post-war Europe being whipped to help serve the central govt in Berlin.

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    Palace of the Soviets
    Requires State Party

    +25% trade route profit with Communist countries.
    +6 Great Engineer points.

    Commentary: The Palace of the Soviets was envisioned as a statement of revolutionary success in the Soviet Union, but was also an international effort designed to bring attention to the USSR. This is represented by the trade route affect, you could also add in positive relations with Communist countries.

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    Other possible ones:
    Prora (civ 5 reference anyone)
    Chicago (The) Spire
    Big Bend
    Bionic Tower
    Third Temple of Jerusalem
    Gibraltar Dam (??)
     
  2. rmontaruli

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    I have to add to this list:
    "Il Ponte sullo Stretto"
    the bridge to connect Sicily to the continent: it should be the longest suspended bridge of the world, over the more sismic zone of the whole Europe.

    What can go wrong?
     
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  3. Publicola

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    I really like this idea, but I wonder if we should distinguish between 'alt-history wonders' (eg, Volkshalle) that exist within a single city, vs. 'Megastructures' (like the Gibraltar Dam or Ponte sullo Stretto) that have a broader impact on the landscape itself. 'Megastructures' might include real-world wonders like dams and canals, where the wonder effect primarily impacts the map itself. The Aswan Dam, for instance, made a lake of the upper Nile, and eliminated the annual flooding of the lower Nile banks -- both of which can be represented by a script that directly alters the map terrain. The Suez Canal could auto-place an improvement (with properties similar to a fort) that enable a ship to pass through the relevant land tile. Heck, you could even include pre-modern wonders like the Qhapac Ñan, that would generate a special road-like improvement to allow Incan units to move along the Andes mountains.
     
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    Id argue against bridge/tunnel type wonders, hypothetical and planned megabridges/tunnels are quite common nowadays.
     
  6. Hightower

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    Just trying to think of some unfinished structures that aren't recent. I came up with the following that would have been architecturally significant:

    The Alai Minar (would have been the tallest minaret in the world)
    The Great Temple of the Aten (likely would have been the largest building of the pre-classical world)
    Duomo Nuovo of Siena (not as sure about this one but it is famously unfinished)
     
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    Regarding canals, it would be kind of cool to have a great/national wonder that just let you put a water tile anywhere in your land.
     
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    Could cut America in half
     
  10. Zeta Nexus

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    I think this topic would deserve a greater audience (I found it only accidentally). Maybe a thread in Creation & Customization or in Graphics Modpacs would be a good idea, so people could create stuff for these: Models and wonder movies. I'd probably do a few or more movies ;)
     
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    Leoreth Prince of Blood Moderator

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    Oh neat! That would be cool. Feel free to start a thread in those forums.

    And if you're looking for movies to create, DoC has a bunch of wonders that currently lack any form of movie or even static image on completion.
     
  12. Zeta Nexus

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    Give me a list, please. I'll see if I get inspired.
    Also you should check my wonder movies thread: :cooool: Nexus CinematiX :scan:
    Maybe I have already created something you need.
     
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    I have thrown together a quick spreadsheet with all the new wonders that currently have no wonder video with some notes on existing sources. I noted that you have Cheomseongdae and Gardens by the Bay, I can include them in time (or someone helps me out with a pull request). I have not yet taken the time to scour other mods and the DB for videos for each of them, since many here are taken from other mods or wonder packs, it is entirely possible that they already have movies or static images. However, some wonders are unique to DoC as far as I am aware, so there is definitely something left to do.

    Here is the sheet (@Zeta Nexus just in case you're not following the thread). Here is another thread about the topic, for context. And with that I will not derail this thread any further.
     
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    In my mod I have 162 wonder movies - like Motherland Calls that I saw on your list.
    A great portion of them is from other mods - imported either by the AND2 Team or later by me.

    Spoiler My wonders folder :

    AbuSimbel.bik
    Academy.bik
    Acropolis.bik
    adamsmith.bik
    AIEntity.bik
    Akashic_Records.bik
    alhambra.bik
    Altamira.bik
    AmusementPark.bik
    Apadana.bik
    Apollo.bik
    ApolloProject.bik
    Art_Of_War.bik
    Babel.bik
    Bach.bik
    Bank.bik
    BasilicaCistern.bik
    Bauhaus.bik
    BigBen.bik
    Blarney.bik
    Bolshoi.bik
    Brandenburg.bik
    BurjAlArab.bik
    BurningMan.bik
    Cancer.bik
    Carhenge.bik
    Carthage_Port.bik
    CDC.bik
    CentralBank.bik
    Cheomseongdae.bik
    CircusMaximus.bik
    CivTv.bik
    CommercialSatellites.bik
    Copernicus.bik
    Crusade.bik
    CrystalPalace.bik
    Curia.bik
    DeepCoreMine.bik
    DinoPark.bik
    Djenne.bik
    EastIndiaCompany.bik
    Eden.bik
    edinburgh castle.bik
    edisons workshop.bik
    Einstein.bik
    EmpireStateBuilding.bik
    Encyclopedie.bik
    Evolution.bik
    FederalReserve.bik
    FirstNuclearTest.bik
    Flavian.bik
    ForbiddenPalace.bik
    FusionPowerPlant.bik
    GardensBay.bik
    GardensByTheBay.bik
    GateOfTheSun.bik
    GlobeTheatre.bik
    GoldenSpike.bik
    Great_Canal.bik
    Great_Firewall.bik
    GreatFirewall.bik
    Greekfire.bik
    HanseaticLeague.bik
    Hermitage.bik
    Heroic Epic.bik
    HeroicEpic.bik
    HillTara.bik
    HimejiCastle.bik
    Hippocratic.bik
    HockeyNight.bik
    Hubble.bik
    HumanGenome.bik
    Hundertwasser.bik
    IndependenceHall.bik
    Interpol.bik
    IronWorks.bik
    Ishtar.bik
    ISS.bik
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    JaguarTemple.bik
    Karnak.bik
    Knox.bik
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    Labyrinth.bik
    Lascaux.bik
    Lascaux Caves.bik
    LasVegas.bik
    LasVegasStrip_StaticMovie.bik
    Leonardos_Workshop.bik
    Limes.bik
    longevity.bik
    Louvre.bik
    MachuPicchu.bik
    Magellan.bik
    MalleusMaleficarum.bik
    marcopolo.bik
    MilitaryAcademy.bik
    MintPress.bik
    MISSILE_DEFENCE_I.bik
    MoaiStatues.bik
    MotherlandCalls.bik
    NaniteDefuser.bik
    NationalBroadcastingCompany.bik
    NationalEpic.bik
    NationalPark.bik
    NationalShield.bik
    NazcaLines.bik
    NeuschwansteinCastle.bik
    newton.bik
    Olympics.bik
    OrbitalHotel.bik
    OxfordUniversity.bik
    Parliament.bik
    ParticleAccelerator.bik
    Penicillin.bik
    Petra.bik
    PetraMonastery.bik
    Pisa.bik
    plato.bik
    PleistocenePark.bik
    PontDuGard.bik
    PorcelainTower.bik
    PROPAGANDA.bik
    QuantumTheory.bik
    RedCross.bik
    Refinery.bik
    Reichstag.bik
    Rialto.bik
    RosettaStone.bik
    rushmore.bik
    SacrificialPyramid.bik
    SanMarco.bik
    ScotlandYard.bik
    SDI.bik
    SecretArmyBase.bik
    Sensorium.bik
    Seti.bik
    ShaolinMonastery.bik
    SilkRoad.bik
    Sphinx.bik
    SpySatellite.bik
    SupremeCourt.bik
    SydneyOperaHouse.bik
    TerraCotta.bik
    TheAgency.bik
    TheatreOfDionysus.bik
    TimeTunnel.bik
    TrafalgarSquare.bik
    Treasury.bik
    UniversalTranslator.bik
    VenetianArsenal.bik
    Venus_of_Willendorf.bik
    ViaAppia.bik
    VMadisonAvenue.bik
    WallStreet.bik
    WestPoint.bik
    WillowRun.bik
    woman.bik
    Woodstock.bik
    wtc.bik
    ZOrbital.bik
    apadana_mv.dds
    Dosanseowon_mv.dds
    Kotoku_in.dds
    edinburgh castle.jpg
     
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    Oh that's great. I have made a note to go through them and compare where they could be used.
     
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