[Extension] Volcanoes for VP

jarcast2 · Apr 11, 2024

Volcanoes for VP

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Compatible with any mapscript.
Volcanoes are a feature of mountains and yield +1 Food to adjacent tiles.
Eligible volcano plots are chosen first among existing mountains, then among hills to increase the number if low. Mountain volcanoes use graphics by zai4z. Hill volcanoes are actually mountains but use old graphics by ghost_toast as placeholder because editing a plot into a mountain after map generation does not show the mountain graphic in game unless you save and reload the game.
Goddess of Nature belief applies also to Volcanoes as well as existing and modded buildings, policies, traits involving mountains.
2 new World Wonders requiring a Volcano nearby: Pompeii, Tongariro National Park.
2 new Buildings requiring a Volcano nearby: Obsidian Works, Volcano Observatory.
Natural Wonders Fuji, Krakatoa, Kilimanjaro count as Volcanoes for building requirements. If More Wonders for VP is enabled, also Mt. Paektu and Dallol.
removed existing eruption events from base VP and added 2 custom events (normal eruption and heavy eruption, the latter has less probability to happen), each with 2 choices. The first choice gives some Science (scaling with era) but the improvements adjacent to the Volcano are pillaged, there's a chance buildings are destroyed and interested City loses 1 citizen (3 in case of heavy eruption). The second choice unlocks when the City constructs the Volcano Observatory building: the effects are the same except Science yield is increased and City loses no population (the logic is the Observatory catches warning signs of volcanic activity allowing people to safely evacuate in time but buildings and improvements are still affected).

Spoiler Pompeii :

Spoiler Tongariro National Park :

Spoiler Obsidian Works :

Spoiler Volcano Observatory :

You can edit the rarity of volcanoes spawn by going to the mod folder and opening Jar_Volcano_GameDefines.sql with notepad

Code:

INSERT INTO COMMUNITY
        (Type,                            Value)
VALUES   ('JAR_VOLCANOES_MINDISTANCE',    12);  -- minimum tile distance between Volcanoes

Credits:

ghost_toast: hill volcano graphic model.
zai4z: new mountain volcano graphic model.
azum4roll: help and feedback.

msw1 · Apr 12, 2024

Looks awesome, but seems like there should be some kind of risk to settling next to a volcano. Maybe through the event system?

Tekamthi · Apr 12, 2024

Very nice!

I wonder if Pompeii couldn't be represented and acquired through some event other than building it? It's a little odd to think of building an old ruin. In any case, just a nitpick.

How do the volcanoes themselves load into the game? Are they assigned at start or do they erupt mid-game?

jarcast2 · Apr 12, 2024

msw1 said:
Looks awesome, but seems like there should be some kind of risk to settling next to a volcano. Maybe through the event system?

Yes, I thought about adding events for cities near a volcano like the most obvious eruption event but I am not sure what kind of consequence to have beside building and population destruction and eventual damage to garrisoned unit.
The problem of bad events is that they can be annoying and the RNG can have a bad timing accruing the bother feeling, the larger the more important that city is to your empire.
However, if you guys have good ideas to better enjoy the related gameplay I can integrate them no problem. :thumbsup:

Tekamthi said:
I wonder if Pompeii couldn't be represented and acquired through some event other than building it? It's a little odd to think of building an old ruin. In any case, just a nitpick.

Well see it like this: you spend production to carry out the archaeological excavations and to build annexed facilities for both research and touristic purposes. At the end of it you have an archaeological park that need maintenance to be preserved.

Tekamthi said:
How do the volcanoes themselves load into the game? Are they assigned at start or do they erupt mid-game?

Volcanoes are assigned at start. Spawning them under some logic with RNG would require to loop over all the plots of the map once in every X turns, with the consequence of negatively affecting performance.
Also the bigger the map the more computation, so I preferred to carry it out just once after map creation.

Tekamthi · Apr 12, 2024

jarcast2 said:
Spawning them under some logic with RNG would require to loop over all the plots of the map once in every X turns

I think an alternative might work, you could just rng pick an x value and y value then evaluate the resulting plot for possibility of volcano. Repeat til as many are spawned as desired. Or a loop as you suggest, if it were only once every ten turns the resource hit wouldn't be so bad.

IMO the big problem is you'd have to make the graphic into improvement to show up dynamically, after the game start. Was just curious if maybe you'd found another way

Pipiskus · Apr 12, 2024

It would be cool if you could apply Volcano's status to existing Natural wonders and wonders in Adans mod, so they would count as volcanos

Tekamthi · Apr 12, 2024

I wonder if we could find a way to make some sort of eruption with on-map effect -- can anyone think of any animation effect they've seen in game that might double as some kind of lava flow?

jarcast2 · Apr 12, 2024

Tekamthi said:
I think an alternative might work, you could just rng pick an x value and y value then evaluate the resulting plot for possibility of volcano. Repeat til as many are spawned as desired. Or a loop as you suggest, if it were only once every ten turns the resource hit wouldn't be so bad.

IMO the big problem is you'd have to make the graphic into improvement to show up dynamically, after the game start. Was just curious if maybe you'd found another way

I checked and as I expected if you dynamically attempt to place a Volcano feature it is not visible on map, conversely to jungles and forests.
Indeed I can make a pseudo-improvement to make it visible as I did it for atolls with Nan Madol civ.
However, I am not much a fan of it because it's like a "dirty" workaround and I was conflicted when I did it for Nan Madol at the time.

Pipiskus said:
It would be cool if you could apply Volcano's status to existing Natural wonders and wonders in Adans mod, so they would count as volcanos

The thing is that Volcano and natural wonders are features on its own but code-wise it would be much of a problem.
Beside Krakatoa, could you list in a reply here which natural wonders are volcanoes?

Tekamthi said:
I wonder if we could find a way to make some sort of eruption with on-map effect -- can anyone think of any animation effect they've seen in game that might double as some kind of lava flow?

I was thinking about that, too.
We may repurpose ART_DEF_FEATURE_FALLOUT and make an improvement that overwrites the existing ones on tiles adjacent to a Volcano, so that they are totally destroyed instead of just pillaged.
As compensation for the negative eruption event I may increase the adjacency food bonus by +1 :c5food:

Food for a certain amount of turns.
Also I would need to study how to code events because I definitely will add the eruption one at least.

Tekamthi · Apr 12, 2024

Yeah if we did eruption it would have to be the hacky improvement workaround but that works best when it's just a temporary thing, so it might fit. You could make a user option to toggle the eruption only into unimproved plots vs full destruction

We could even look a little deeper than ART_DEF_FEATURE_FALLOUT and make a new tile potentially -- what I was referring to are the animation effects. I'll try to dig up the link to the list of em all -- the lava at the top of the mountain is one of these, we could take that lava and just make it into a bare tile improvement with no mountain. But that lava isn't great to represent flowing lava, it's more suited to exactly what is being used for already. There are lots of different fire effects though, if we found one that was just some glowing embers or something we might have a winner.

hokath · Apr 12, 2024

Yes, I thought about adding events for cities near a volcano like the most obvious eruption event but I am not sure what kind of consequence to have beside building and population destruction and eventual damage to garrisoned unit.
The problem of bad events is that they can be annoying and the RNG can have a bad timing accruing the bother feeling, the larger the more important that city is to your empire.
However, if you guys have good ideas to better enjoy the related gameplay I can integrate them no problem.

We could do a "trade event". The volcano erupts and pillages a bunch of stuff, maybe has a chance to break buildings, but in return you get +food on all your farms or +science on your academies, etc.

Tekamthi · Apr 12, 2024

we can use any of the effects in this list to make a new "eruption" tile, potentially -- I tested close to half when I was looking for a good fire and smoke effect for TreeSuccession -- there are a lot of fires but most are more like flames than lava. I think there are some very low & wide fires ie very flat fires that fill the whole plot, these might fit. Also we can combine multiple effects, thats how I think we might create a lava effect, maybe... Its very tedious to test all of these, I don't think anyone's ever made a catalog with screenshot or anything like that unfortunately. I used to have a test modfile just for swapping these around quickly, I'll see if I can find it.

Spoiler :

AndreyK · Apr 12, 2024

I have a question about obsidian does it need to have Even More Resources modmod enabled or can appear without it?

jarcast2 · Apr 13, 2024

hokath said:
We could do a "trade event". The volcano erupts and pillages a bunch of stuff, maybe has a chance to break buildings, but in return you get +food on all your farms or +science on your academies, etc.

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Tekamthi said:
I used to have a test modfile just for swapping these around quickly, I'll see if I can find it.

If you can find it, that would help immensely so in my free time I can go through the list of visual fx you posted and see if there's a suitable one.
If also you would like to help check it'd be a lot appreciated because I have no experience with this stuff.

AndreyK said:
I have a question about obsidian does it need to have Even More Resources modmod enabled or can appear without it?

I copied the obsidian from Even More Resources mod so you don't need to enable it just for that resource.

Pipiskus · Apr 13, 2024

jarcast2 said:
The thing is that Volcano and natural wonders are features on its own but code-wise it would be much of a problem.
Beside Krakatoa, could you list in a reply here which natural wonders are volcanoes?

Fuji and Kilimanjaro in original game and Mauna Kea, Mt. Paektu (volcanic lake) , Dallol (Volcanic lake) in adans mod

jarcast2 · Apr 13, 2024

Basic volcano has no yields but gives +1 :c5food:

to adjacent tiles.
I fear that applying that to volcanic natural wonders, which already have good tile yields on their own, would make them too op and create unbalance.

Pipiskus · Apr 13, 2024

jarcast2 said:
Basic volcano has no yields but gives +1 to adjacent tiles.
I fear that applying that to volcanic natural wonders, which already have good tile yields on their own, would make them too op and create unbalance.

maybe atleast make buildings available?

hokath · Apr 13, 2024

Yes I think you could make the buildings available. Some of those volcanoes in morewonders already have a nearby tiles effect anyway.

Tekamthi · Apr 13, 2024

jarcast2 said:
If you can find it, that would help immensely so in my free time I can go through the list of visual fx you posted and see if there's a suitable one.
If also you would like to help check it'd be a lot appreciated because I have no experience with this stuff.

Yes, though it's possible I scrapped it. If I did I will make a new one and post it here. Alternatively you could find where the veffect tag is applied to your current volcanoes and just swap it with some of those others -- that lava effect at the top will be replaced with something else.

If you do this, you'll notice that some are always on and some only play once quickly -- not sure what this means for features assigned at start. Anyway I think the ones to look at first are the geyser animation and the askia fires and smoke etc.

Also, have you ever seen the faerun modpack? The terrain in there has kind of a charred look, I wonder if it could be applied temporarily as we're thinking here... Can see it in this vid

jarcast2 · Apr 13, 2024

Little update.

Changelog:
- fixed bug whereby Volcanoes spawn on Ancient Ruins;
- Natural Wonders Fuji, Krakatoa, Kilimanjaro count as Volcanoes for building requirements. If More Wonders for VP is enabled, also Mt. Paektu and Dallol.
(Mauna Kea is not yet added to adan_eslavo's mod)

jarcast2 · Apr 13, 2024

Tekamthi said:
Yes, though it's possible I scrapped it. If I did I will make a new one and post it here. Alternatively you could find where the veffect tag is applied to your current volcanoes and just swap it with some of those others -- that lava effect at the top will be replaced with something else.

If you do this, you'll notice that some are always on and some only play once quickly -- not sure what this means for features assigned at start. Anyway I think the ones to look at first are the geyser animation and the askia fires and smoke etc.

Also, have you ever seen the faerun modpack? The terrain in there has kind of a charred look, I wonder if it could be applied temporarily as we're thinking here... Can see it in this vid

ghost_toast did some similar terrain textures. Unfortunately changing terrain requires reloading the save in order to be visible in game.

Spoiler pic :

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