Wang Kon is a weasel

[dante alighieri]

Wang Kon is a little weasel.

Every game he's in he vassalizes himself to someone in my games. Sometimes me, sometimes another AI. He's like a little parasite hiding behind another civ. At least Tokugawa stands on his own, win or lose. At least this time I can get the satisfaction of killing him. Early in the game when space was running out I jumped into an already ongoing war between korea and Saladin. I just wanted a little more room on the continent. It didn't work out too well, I took one city but couldn't crack the next one. The war ended and Wang Kon immediately snuggled up with Augustus.

(Amazingly, Tokugawa and I became friendly in this game. Open borders, trades, everything.) Unfortunately Auggie ain't too smart. I'm about to launch the spaceship soon, and Auggie decides to DoW on me. He was just rolling his first tank off of the assembly line. He wasn't ready for the hordes of gunships and modern armor that descended on his and his vassals cities....and I razed them, not capture. Auggie gave up pretty quick. Now Wang is without a master and down to two cities on the continent and three on an island. He's so dead.

But is it just me, or does Wang do his vassalize thing in everyone elses game. I don't think I've ever seen him without him being someones vassal.

 

[Arlborn]

Mansa Musa does the same, and probably some others AI, to a degree.

 

[Ethric]

Yeah he's annoying that way. Everytime I meet him I go "Aww, jeez, that little toad". I mean, if I meet Monty or one of the other warmongers I go "Aaah, fun times ahead", some others are more trustworthy and fun in being able to rely a bit on their friendship if it works out that way. But Wank On, he's just boring and annoying, and almost never amount to anything in my games.

 

[oedali]

Yeah I've seen him vassalize a lot in my games too, especially when he doesn't have much land to expand.

 

[Yva!n]

One time I was going for a domination win as Toku, and the 2nd and 3rd place civs were Wang Kon and Ghandi, I overran India, and turned my attention on Korea's 8-10 cities, I took one and he capitulated! Game over.

 

[Olleus]

That little bast*** attacked me after we'd been friendly (at least +12 in relations and usualy much higher) for 1500 years. Not only that, but he DoW'd me while my army was invading another continent. Lucklily, I manage to ship them back before I lost any cities and then my CR3 infantry smashed his maceman into lots of tiny pieces.

Still, I thought that the AI wouldn't start planing a war on friendly.

 

[azzaman333]

The war decision had been made by the AI before he attacked you probably, and waited until the perfect opportunity came to actually attack.

 

[oedali]

Did he keep saying "We have enough on our hands right now" whenever you tried to ask him to declare war on someone else? That would mean he was preparing for war with you the whole time.

 

[zienth]

It's my understanding that when an AI initiates a "war plan", they'll declare war within a dozen turns or so. Different AIs have different relationship levels at which they'll initiate a war plan, but none will initiate one when Friendly. There are some who won't initiate a wart plan when Pleased, and some that will. If they initiate a war plan while Pleased, but then become Friendly, they'll still attack, not wait a millennium and a half. If you look at the very nice PDF info sheet by dj_anion, it lists the chances of not starting a war plan at the different relationship levels if the AI thinks the situation is otherwise right.

On the other hand, there is a different check made for a "dogpile" declaration (attacking someone who is already busy with an existing war), which apparently can happen when Friendly. There is a number in the XML that effects this for each leader, but I don't know how that number is used.

Zienth

 

[Olleus]

Thats how i thought it worked, but does the AI really take 400 turns planing for war? Because this was a marathon game and we'd been friendly from the time I founded confucianism until he declared war on me. It just seems to be too long.

 

[azzaman333]

Thats how i thought it worked, but does the AI really take 400 turns planing for war? Because this was a marathon game and we'd been friendly from the time I founded confucianism until he declared war on me. It just seems to be too long.

If it took him that long to get a suitable army, possibly.

 

[Love]

In my game he was like a native tribe, they sucked...

 

[Keitosha]

Wang Kon is a little weasel.

IR bettur than Weasull!!

 

[Merkinball]

The worst part about Wang, for me anyhow, is that NOBODY will ever declare war on the guy. Well, tonight he met his demise, I had plenty of techs to bribe out and watched his empire turn into dust. Muuuuhahahahahahaha.

 

[azzaman333]

The worst part about Wang, for me anyhow, is that NOBODY will ever declare war on the guy. Well, tonight he met his demise, I had plenty of techs to bribe out and watched his empire turn into dust. Muuuuhahahahahahaha.

My experience is that Wang is hated by most AI's.

 

[onedreamer]

Mansa Musa does the same, and probably some others AI, to a degree.

uh ? not really...

 

[Arlborn]

uh ? not really...

What? Sure he does. At least in warlords, as I didn't meet him yet in BTS.
He was always asking somebody to be their vassal!

 

[Silence101]

Wang Kon is a tech hound. He's ended up becoming very powerful in a few of my games, but he's no warmonger... not usually anyway. It doesn't surprise me that he would be quick to vassalize - but I think most tech hounds are the same way. If they get into trouble, they run for cover.

 

[0R4NG3]

What? Sure he does. At least in warlords, as I didn't meet him yet in BTS.
He was always asking somebody to be their vassal!

Not for me. In my games Mansa hardly ever vassalises to anyone.

 

[Cvntpumeler]

Not for me. In my games Mansa hardly ever vassalises to anyone.

If Mansa Musa knows Huayana Capac they're in 1st and 2nd place in my games. Mansa never vassalizes in my games, and hes always leading other AIs in tech. I usually play on Emp or Immortal depending on traits, so maybe its different for difficulty levels.