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[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux
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Lexicus
Deity
I mean, I do not have personal knowledge of anything going on in Gaza, but resistance sources have stated that during the fighting, there was an ongoing counterintelligence operation aimed at identifying Israeli agents in the Strip, and which actually succeeded in intercepting some cash payments made by the intelligence agencies to their proxies in Gaza and diverting them to the resistance. These executions are basically the end result of that operation, the targets having been identified ahead of time.
It is absolutely absurd to expect jury trials to be held for Israeli intelligence agents under the "normal" conditions in Gaza let alone under the conditions prevailing in October 2025.
I would also highlight the following historical incident as some might find it an illuminating parallel:
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
They could always hold a trial after the punishment, too 
But without that, right now it just looks like Hamas shooting malingerers and whatnot for their failure during the war.
But without that, right now it just looks like Hamas shooting malingerers and whatnot for their failure during the war.
EnglishEdward
Deity
Hamas will no doubt try to murder any Palestinian who has been critical of them.
That is what authoritarian theocracy is about.
That is what authoritarian theocracy is about.
Zardnaar
Deity
That as well. IDF collaboration also has been used for critics of hamas. Anyone wanting to have a different Regime and settling grudges as an accusation can get you killed.
Palestinian friend I had hated Israel/IDF but fled due to his uncle warning him to. It wasn't the IDF that wanted to kill him. He said the wrong thing to the wrong person.
Youre deluding yourself if you think Hamas is a vaguely ethical organization. Extra judicial killing of dubious guilt is a big clue.
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Rephrased, but equally accurate. To be clear in case I'm unjustly accused of editing a quote:
Thank you and goodbye.
Lexicus
Deity
At the end of February 1943, the Jewish Combat Organization carried out another execution in the Warsaw ghetto. Alfred Nossig, once an important Zionist activist, sculptor and Gestapo collaborator, was shot in his own apartment at Muranowska 42 Street.
Ok so what's your opinion on this? Does the extrajudicial killing of this guy show the Jewish Combat Organization was unethical?
EnglishEdward
Deity
My opinion is that it is WhatAboutery.
Lexicus
Deity
Demonstrating a double standard is not whataboutery.
Zardnaar
Deity
The context is though.
Generally im opposed to the death penalty. Im willing to make exceptions in extreme situations. Eg Nazi war criminals. Even they should get a trial.
Its also different when guilts very vague along with what counts as collaboration.
Eg let's talk to Israel we are not Hamas supporters. They haven't had an election since they had the first one.
In some cases guilt is 100% the trial is a formality. If Hitler was captured alive comes to mind.
Hamas rule is more akin to the Italian Mob vs an actual government even authoritarian ones.
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
The distinction here is that people are being lined up and shot in public. Now whatever you may think about Hamas's intentions, I imagine their goal here is also to impose some sense of terror among Gazan pedestrians who'd ever consider looking at them cross-eyed, as much as it is about "rubbing out" someone. They would also have plenty of valid reasons for people to turn on them.
Ofer Cassif - Wikipedia
Israel’s ‘anti-Zionists’ brave police beatings, smears to demand end to war
Some have been jailed for refusing to serve in the armed forces while others face threats and harassment.
Israel: Meir Baruchin, the professor accused of "treason" for denouncing the death of civilians in Gaza
The philosophy and civics teacher at a Tel Aviv high school is the target of violent attacks after publishing two short posts on social media expressing his compassion for civilian victims in Gaza.
www.lemonde.fr
Lexicus
Deity
You ought to look up what happened to Nazi collaborators when the Nazis lost the war
Zardnaar
Deity
Alot had their heads shaved or a beating vs execution.
Settling grudges was also a thing there as well.
Yet another whataboutism as well.
Im not morally opposed to executing Nazi war criminals but ad hoc street justice usually gets innocents murdered as well.
And with the worst of them guilt is 100%.
Lexicus
Deity
This isn't analogous to the death penalty.
The actual context here is that both cases have:
-an underground paramilitary group
-a genocidal foreign occupier
-a condition where the paramilitary group is made of people who have been rendered stateless by the foreign occupier
-a state of war existing between the paramilitary group and the occupier
I prefer no violence but armed conflict means people are going to be killed without trials. This is why I don't think it's a good idea to try to colonize a patch of land and make room for the settlers by terrorizing and ultimately slaughtering the people who already live there. The Germans did this in Poland and the Zionists have been doing it and are doing it in Palestine.
Zardnaar
Deity
Nothings perfect you will always get revenge killings.
Hands was doing it before the current round and use it vs political opponents as well.
I told my Palestinian friend to get his family out if possible 2018. All the infitada achieved was accelerate Israeli hard liners. Hasn't achieved anything.
Oct 7th seems Palestinians are so much worse off. Unless Hamas are complete idiots they deliberately wanted this outcome it was 100% predictable.
They're trading blood for political gains. The gains seem very marginal to me. People might Gate Israel that will fade a month or two after some sort of resolution.
The blood god will want more blood though.
banzay13
Emperor
You mean those, who sucsefully lived and work in Canada, Argentina and some work for US gov?
Zardnaar
Deity
Egypt, Syria, East Germany, USSR......
Ordnael
I'll be the roundabout
Man I've seen weaker circus contortionist numbers compared to what I am reading from Hamas sympathizers to justify executing fellow humans in the street, Palestinian humans actually.
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israel in 1948 or thereabouts needed instructors , because the Avia 199s were not that much of a surprise purchase , and they contracted Croatian Fascist veterans from a recently concluded war like because a rather more extensive training establishment for Me-109s could not really be hired , you know , speaking a certain European language somewhere to the mittel of the continent . Like luckily or something the Anglosaxon establishments cleared THEIR veterans instead and Israel's first choice instead went to Syria , fought the Jews a bit and ended up in America or something .
edit: Uh , wrong . Checked it online ... Turns out the Croatians were hired after the war , when their contracts ended . Likd Spitfires and Mustangs already on the way to replace the Avias but whatever .
edit: Uh , wrong . Checked it online ... Turns out the Croatians were hired after the war , when their contracts ended . Likd Spitfires and Mustangs already on the way to replace the Avias but whatever .
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