[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux

[danjuno]

"Killing our citizens for racist or nationalist motives shall be punishable by death."
"But only Palestinians do that! So that law is racist!"

Yitzhak Rabin was killed by a right-wing nationalist who was a Jewish Israeli.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

So that law is racist!

It explicitly only applies to Palestinians, so yes, it is racist.

It's funny how even liberal Zionists are trying to backpedal this law because of just how blatantly racist it is, but Israel's supporters abroad will unconditionally defend everything it does. The IDF could snipe a Palestinian child in the head in broad daylight and while the IDF will try to say something like "we do not target civilians, the incident is under review" these supporters will just smirk and say "you think Palestinian kids deserve to live? gotcha!"

 

[amadeus]

Afaik evangelicals and other sects support Israel believing Jews getting all Israel will fullfil the second coming of Christ prophecy or some crap like that.

The bible makes it explicitly clear that it will be done via divine intervention. The IDF, backed by Uncle Sam, is a man-made event, not something God has done. So what the state of Israel is doing now is hardly biblical.

To me it seems like the ultimate hubris of man, but if these people believe that they are acting according to God’s commandment, is it? I think a theologian would have to weigh in on this.

I personally take the view that I act according to the tenets of my religion, and that is not inclusive of determining the time at which there will be a Second Coming.

 

[r16]

a detailed explanation will be deemed anti-semitic but all those people are not "believers" at all , merely justifying a slogan that people have to act in accordance for social status and success in life . Evangelists basically expect Zionists to fail bigtime after enough trouble to justify Evangelists . Zionists make hay while the sun shines .

 

[Yeekim]

Yitzhak Rabin was killed by a right-wing nationalist who was a Jewish Israeli.

Exactly.

It explicitly only applies to Palestinians, so yes, it is racist.

If it did, then yes it would be.
Can you provide a direct quote in the draft where it says so?

EDIT: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...slation-of-discriminatory-death-penalty-bill/

passing of the first reading of a controversial new amendment to the Israeli Penal Law making it mandatory for Israeli courts to impose the death penalty against individuals convicted of killing an Israeli “either intentionally or recklessly” if the act is motivated by “racism or hostility towards the public” and “committed with the objective of harming the state of Israel or the rebirth of the Jewish people”

The law would apply equally to anyone committing such a terrorist attack - whether they're a Jew (e.g. Haredim opposed to Israeli statehood on theological grounds), a Palestinian, or anyone else.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Israel can either have a death penalty or not have one, but they need to pick a lane here. I don't particularly like this splitting of hairs between those convicted of murder in any other instance besides some animus towards Israelis as a whole, and those murderers who do. Whether the proposed law is racist, I'm not really sure it is on its surface (de jure), but it can effectively be used as one (de facto), depending on how a prosecutor wants to frame his argument.

Me, I would believe that nearly any murder beyond some crime of passion constitutes some danger to the society (i.e. all of Israel) as a whole. In which case in keeping with Israeli tradition that would mean "nationalistic" murders would not have the death penalty imposed upon them either.

 

[danjuno]

Exactly.

If it did, then yes it would be.
Can you provide a direct quote in the draft where it says so?

EDIT: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...slation-of-discriminatory-death-penalty-bill/


The law would apply equally to anyone committing such a terrorist attack - whether they're a Jew (e.g. Haredim opposed to Israeli statehood on theological grounds), a Palestinian, or anyone else.

The guy who murdered Rabin certainly didn't believe he was "harming the state of Israel or the rebirth of the Jewish people", quite the opposite.

 

[Arwon]

Exactly.

If it did, then yes it would be.
Can you provide a direct quote in the draft where it says so?

EDIT: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...slation-of-discriminatory-death-penalty-bill/


The law would apply equally to anyone committing such a terrorist attack - whether they're a Jew (e.g. Haredim opposed to Israeli statehood on theological grounds), a Palestinian, or anyone else.

Literally from the next paragraph my dude

There is no sugarcoating this; a majority of 39 Israeli Knesset members approved in a first reading a bill that effectively mandates courts to impose the death penalty exclusively against Palestinians. While the text of the bill does not specifically single out Palestinians, the mental element required for the offence concerned signals its primary victims are going to be Palestinians and would include those who committed the punishable offences before the law is passed.

 

[Arwon]

Mandatory death penalty for anything is already pure barbarism, applying it only to a subset of things associated with your racial enemies is even wilder.

 

[Senethro]

Is this even a real objection being raised, or is someone just trying to appear that they might have scruples?

 

[Yeekim]

Is this even a real objection being raised, or is someone just trying to appear that they might have scruples?

A claim was made that the law "explicitly only applies to Palestinians". The law makes no mention of Palestinians; this claim is wrong.

 

[Yeekim]

The guy who murdered Rabin certainly didn't believe he was "harming the state of Israel or the rebirth of the Jewish people", quite the opposite.

Killing a prime minister for political reasons could reasonably qualify as "harming the state".
If not, then the distinction would be in intent, not ethnicity of the criminal.
That is nothing novel, it is the concept underpinning all "hate crime" laws.

 

[Senethro]

A claim was made that the law "explicitly only applies to Palestinians". The law makes no mention of Palestinians; this claim is wrong.

I think a guy who has deliberately refused to state what a reasonable upper limit on how many Palestinians it is permissible for the Israelis to kill in pursuit of whatever their goal is might not be a good judge of this.

 

[Lexicus]

I think a guy who has deliberately refused to state what a reasonable upper limit on how many Palestinians it is permissible for the Israelis to kill in pursuit of whatever their goal is might not be a good judge of this.

Laws against slave uprisings aren't racist! They would still be enforced if the slaves were white! Idiot

 

[caketastydelish]

If people like Payton Gendron got the death penalty, I would not be saddened, but Palestinians will get it over much, much less.

 

[Yeekim]

If people like Payton Gendron got the death penalty, I would not be saddened, but Palestinians will get it over much, much less.

The penalty is reserved for killers, so not really.

 

[Broken_Erika]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007776381363757140

 

[Henri Christophe]

I'm just waiting Netanyahu being kidnap as Maduro was.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm just waiting Netanyahu being kidnap as Maduro was.

Mossads scary. Maduro and Co are jokes. Bit of a difference.

 

[danjuno]

Mossads scary. Maduro and Co are jokes. Bit of a difference.

I don't think difficulty was the point. They are both criminals and should be in jail, no?