[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux
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innonimatu
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But but surely hospitals are only bombed by syrians and russians? They genocided Aleppo didn't you know? Surely you believe Allepo was erased from the suface of the earth and that in Gaza and Lebannon "smart" bombs only kill terrorists?
But I don't think the israelis will be copying russian and syrian strategy, which was one of winning militarily and reconciling with the population. Nor exterminating it. Or Gaza would still be a city standing. No, Netanyahu has perhaps been having the IOF study german operations in Warsaw for this plan?
Shooting at peacekeepers whs done by all militias involved in the Bosnia war. But there was a reason the serbs were especially pissed. I read the books and talked with people who were there. Michael Rose, while in commando of UNPROFOR, was having the mission collect information (part of their job, so far so good) that he then passed to the british MOD and from there got shared with the US. Who had their favoured side and indeed in the end intervened for them. The other factions knew that and it compromised UN neutrality. He endangered everyone in the mission and irretrievably compromised the UN's reputation there.
Not that it made much difference, to be frank. That war would not be stopped by the military observers. Not can this. I still admire the courage of the irish in this one. They are putting some restraing on the israelis.
And about the israeli land offensive. It won't get far anyway, and I don't think it was intended to get far, because their army is unfit to win a war with any serious opponent. All they can do is drop bombs on civilians. Which won't drop Lebannon into a civil war as the israeli governemnt hopes. The world has changed. Lebannon too. They're being attacked, the ones who don't flee and want to fight will band together - to fight Israel. The only thing this terrorism agaisnt Lebannon achived was thoroughly burning the bridge: now they recalled the Lebanese that all of them have a deadly enemy to the south.
The israelis are deranged. But all it takes to stop them in their tracks is stopping the ammunistion supply to them. If it doesn't happen voluntarily now in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin, it will happen involuntarily because ithe industral capacity to replenish stocks is pathetically low. They are fighting their last war and have until the US election.
But I don't think the israelis will be copying russian and syrian strategy, which was one of winning militarily and reconciling with the population. Nor exterminating it. Or Gaza would still be a city standing. No, Netanyahu has perhaps been having the IOF study german operations in Warsaw for this plan?
UNIFIL statement (13 October 2024)
Early this morning, peacekeepers at a UN position in Ramyah observed three platoons of IDF soldiers crossing the Blue Line into Lebanon. At around 4:30 a.m., while peacekeepers were in shelters, two IDF Merkava tanks destroyed the position’s main gate and forcibly entered the position. They...unifil.unmissions.org
Shooting at peacekeepers is the sort of crap Serb militia would get up to when they get bored with shooting Bosnians. Good to know the IDF has the same level of control as Serb militias.
Shooting at peacekeepers whs done by all militias involved in the Bosnia war. But there was a reason the serbs were especially pissed. I read the books and talked with people who were there. Michael Rose, while in commando of UNPROFOR, was having the mission collect information (part of their job, so far so good) that he then passed to the british MOD and from there got shared with the US. Who had their favoured side and indeed in the end intervened for them. The other factions knew that and it compromised UN neutrality. He endangered everyone in the mission and irretrievably compromised the UN's reputation there.
Not that it made much difference, to be frank. That war would not be stopped by the military observers. Not can this. I still admire the courage of the irish in this one. They are putting some restraing on the israelis.
And about the israeli land offensive. It won't get far anyway, and I don't think it was intended to get far, because their army is unfit to win a war with any serious opponent. All they can do is drop bombs on civilians. Which won't drop Lebannon into a civil war as the israeli governemnt hopes. The world has changed. Lebannon too. They're being attacked, the ones who don't flee and want to fight will band together - to fight Israel. The only thing this terrorism agaisnt Lebannon achived was thoroughly burning the bridge: now they recalled the Lebanese that all of them have a deadly enemy to the south.
The israelis are deranged. But all it takes to stop them in their tracks is stopping the ammunistion supply to them. If it doesn't happen voluntarily now in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin, it will happen involuntarily because ithe industral capacity to replenish stocks is pathetically low. They are fighting their last war and have until the US election.
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U.S. to Deploy Missile Defense System and About 100 Troops to Israel
The Pentagon announced it would send the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense battery and its crew as Israel considered retaliatory attacks against Iran.
U.S. to Deploy Missile Defense System and About 100 Troops to Israel
The Pentagon announced it would send the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense battery and its crew as Israel considered retaliatory attacks against Iran.
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At the risk of taking this off topic, the UN peacekeepers have almost never been neutral. Quite famously Dag Hammarskjold treated ONUC as his private army and actively worked to get Lumumba arrested.
I'm not sure about that. The Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon was almost a quarter century ago, and Hezbollah has transitioned in part from a militant group to a political party. As a political party, Hezbollah is not widely popular. They lost elections in 2022 and have been a major factor in the governmental paralysis afflicting Lebanon since then. Regardless of ones opinion about whether Hezbollah is right to be shooting rockets into Israel in solidarity with Hamas, Israel attacking Lebanon is clearly in response to Hezbollah. That will not be lost on a lot of people in Lebanon.
Recent statements by the US and France about strengthening the Lebanese Army suggests to me a sentiment in some western governments that Hezbollah will lose enough support that the Lebanese Army and allied militias could massively degrade Hezbollah as a political or military force in a civil war.
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Drone attack kills four Israeli soldiers and injures more than 60
Four soldiers have been killed and more than 60 other people injured in a drone strike targeting an army base in northern Israel, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has said.The IDF added seven soldiers had been severely injured in the attack on a base "adjacent to Binyamina" - a town around 20 miles (33km) to the south of Haifa.
Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for the attack, which it said targeted a training camp of the Israeli Defence Forces' (IDF) Golani Brigade in the area, which is based between Tel Aviv and Haifa.
The armed group's media office said the strike was in response to Israeli attacks in southern Lebanon and Beirut on Thursday.
The group said it targeted the camp in northern Israel using a "swarm of drones".
The Israeli ambulance service, Magen David Adom (MDA), said 61 people had been injured in the attack - including three critically. It added 37 of them had been taken to eight regional hospitals, either by ambulance or helicopter.
In a statement before the IDF confirmed the deaths, MDA said that alongside the three critically injured, 18 of the victims were in a moderate condition, 31 sustained mild injuries and nine people were "suffering anxiety".
The reason for the discrepancy in the number of critical injuries between MDA and the IDF is not clear.
Israeli censorship rules had initially prevented media outlets reporting exactly where or what was targeted, before the IDF confirmed it was the Binyamina base.
Some Israeli media outlets have reported the base was hit by a low-level drone launched from Lebanon - a relatively unsophisticated weapon that appears not to have activated early-warning alarms.
Throughout the evening, television bulletins, social media posts and online reports showed footage of emergency vehicles, including helicopters, taking casualties to hospitals across northern Israel.
Many of the wounded have been evacuated to Hillel Yaffe Medical Centre in nearby Hadera - with others being taken to hospitals in Tel Hashomer, Haifa, Afula and Netanya.
Details are still scarce but many of the injured appear to have been in a communal canteen at the time and were caught completely by surprise. Images circulating on social media appear to show an empty mess hall with a hole in the roof.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9dy294gweyo
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How Israel’s Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza
Israeli soldiers and Palestinian former detainees say troops have regularly forced captured Gazans to carry out life-threatening tasks, including inside Hamas tunnels.
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At least 10 killed in Israeli attack on northern Gaza food distribution centre, medics say
Food distribution points forcibly closed under airstrikes, ground operations, evacuation orders: UN official
Palestinian medics said on Monday that at least 10 people were killed and 30 injured by Israeli tank shells that hit a food distribution centre in northern Gaza's Jabalia, with casualties including women and children.The Israeli military said it was looking into the report. Medics said an Israeli drone had opened fire where dozens of residents had gathered to receive food.
Jabalia has been the focus of an Israeli military offensive for around 10 days. The military completed the encirclement of the historic refugee camp and has sent tanks into the nearby Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun towns, with the declared aim of stamping out Hamas fighters who are trying to regroup there.
The northern part of Gaza, home to well over half the territory's 2.3 million people, was heavily bombed in the first phase of Israel's assault on the territory, which began a year ago.
Hundreds of thousands of northern Gaza residents left their homes in the early months of the war, driven by Israeli evacuation orders and a military ground offensive in their areas, while around 400,000 people remained, according to United Nations estimates.
Hamas says bombardment preventing aid entry
But months after intense ground fighting there, Israel sent troops back to Jabalia to root out Hamas fighters it said were regrouping for more attacks.The armed wings of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad said their fighters have been staging attacks against the Israeli forces with anti-tank rockets and mortar bombs.
- At least 28 killed in Israeli strike on school sheltering displaced people: Gaza Health Ministry
- Death is everywhere in Gaza. That has prompted people of all ages to write their last words for loved ones
"We have been hit from the air and the ground, non-stop for a week, they want us to leave, they want to punish us for refusing to leave our homes," said Marwa, 26, who left with her family to a school in Gaza City.
People were afraid they would never be able to return if they head south, she said.
Later on Monday, Hamas said Israel aimed to displace the people of northern Gaza by force through constant bombardment, and the blocking of aid, food and fuel.
"The international community should act against this war crime as the occupation is closing the territory and preventing the entry of relief goods and medication," senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters.
"By doing so, it causes slow death, that is in addition to daily direct killings it has been conducting," said Abu Zuhri.
Concerns Israel plans to empty Jabalia
Some residents also fear that Israel plans to empty Jabalia and possibly the entire northern area under a proposal floated by former Israeli generals, which calls for north Gaza to be cleared of civilians and remaining militants to be put under siege until they surrender.Israel flatly denies such designs.
"We have not received a plan like that," military spokesperson Nadav Shoshani told reporters. "We are making sure we're getting civilians out of harm's way while we operate against those terror cells in Jabalia," he said.
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Doctors Without Borders staff trapped in Gaza refugee camp under siege - At least 400,000 people trapped, UN says, as Israeli forces continue raid in northern Gaza
"What they're doing in Jabalia now is more of the same," Eiland told Army Radio on Sunday. "My plan is not being implemented."
Nonetheless, the United Nations has described dire conditions affecting the civilian population remaining in Jabalia.
"Over 50,000 people have been displaced from the Jabalia area, which is cut off, while others remain stranded in their homes amid increased bombardment and fighting," Muhannad Hadi, the UN's humanitarian co-ordinator for the Palestinian territory, said on Sunday.
"The latest military operations in northern Gaza have forced the closure of water wells, bakeries, medical points and shelters, as well as the suspension of protection services, malnutrition treatment, and temporary learning spaces. At the same time, hospitals have seen an influx of trauma injuries."
The Israeli military did not immediately comment.
Last Friday, the United Nations voiced concerns that the fighting and the evacuation orders in northern Gaza might affect an ongoing polio vaccination campaign, which was due to start its second phase on Monday.
The first round of vaccinations was undertaken last month, after a baby was partially paralyzed by the Type 2 polio virus in August, the first such case in the territory in 25 years. The second round will begin in central Gaza areas, before moving to the south and later to the north.
Israel launched the offensive against Hamas after its Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel, in which 1,200 people were killed and around 250 taken hostage to Gaza, according to Israeli tallies. More than 42,000 Palestinians have been reported killed in the offensive so far, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. Most of Gaza's 2.3 million people have been displaced and much of the enclave has been laid to waste.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-jabalia-attack-1.7351808
"Senior Hamas official" lecturing international community on war crimes. Ironic.
Have they considered releasing the hostages and signing a peace treaty?
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Considering how Israel sabotaged the ceasefire attempts in order to keep its far-right ministers from bringing down the government, i don't see much hope for a peace treaty.
Why would one wish to have a ceasefire with a party that refuses to recognize their right to exist as a matter of principle? What peace agreement can be reached under such conditions?
"We're presently at a disadvantage, so let's take a break until we manage to rebuild and feel like restarting" is not a proposal anyone in a sound mind would take.
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I'm very skeptical that Yahya Sinwar wouldn't have sabotaged any deal at some point. It is likely to me that any attempt at negotiation is just posturing to increase their political position, but not ultimately sincere.
Much is made of Israeli internal politics, supposing Netanyahu has incentive to keep the war going to avoid those corruption trials. There is a similar incentive for Sinwar, perhaps a stronger one: if the hostages are released he is done for, sooner or later, regardless of any guarantees(sooner, in all likelihood). He and his loyalists have crossed the Rubicon and their influence is likely just as prohibitive to peace.
Much is made of Israeli internal politics, supposing Netanyahu has incentive to keep the war going to avoid those corruption trials. There is a similar incentive for Sinwar, perhaps a stronger one: if the hostages are released he is done for, sooner or later, regardless of any guarantees(sooner, in all likelihood). He and his loyalists have crossed the Rubicon and their influence is likely just as prohibitive to peace.
The interesting thing is this statement also applies to any party seeking to ceasefire with Israel. Would you agree?
As for war crimes, well, it doesn't really matter who points them out, so long as they're evidenced. And the hostages aren't something Netanyahu is even considering as he expands the Lebanon offensive (which has zero relation to the hostages, and redirects IDF resources from Gaza to the north).
Israel has offered to recognize Palestinian statehood several times.
During the current conflict? We were talking about a ceasefire, weren't we?
I'm pretty sure Israel have repeatedly said only the complete destruction of Hamas will do. And now Hezbollah. And so on, and so forth.
Position adopted in response to their respective charters, which explicitly state that destruction of Israel is their entire raison d'etre.
Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology
A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.
Hamas in 2017: The document in full
Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net
I'm not sure "but they said it first" matters. If you agree that Israel do not recognise the statehood of Hamas (in Gaza) or Hezbollah in Lebanon, then the point about those parties not believing in a ceasefire holds true regardless.Position adopted in response to their respective charters, which explicitly state that destruction of Israel is their entire raison d'etre.
Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology
A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.www.theatlantic.com
Especially, as Broken Erika has already pointed out, given that Israel have sabotaged numerous attempts at a ceasefire in this conflict alone.
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Those are the same governments that made statements about turning Russia's economy "to rubble", for an easy win in Ukraine. How did that turn out?
They're utterly incompetent at strategy. So are the ones in the israeli government.
Israel has never agred to recognize a sovereign palestinian state. What they offered was a bantustan under israely control.
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Israeli strike on Nabatieh hit crisis team meeting, says governor
Nabatieh governor HowaidaTurk tells the BBC the Israeli strikes that killed the mayor of the city, and four other municipality staff on Wednesday, happened during a meeting of acrisis team co-ordinating aid for civilians remaining in the area.The governor says the knownnumber of dead is six – five municipality staff and one member of the publicwho was in a nearby building.
She says the number of dead could yet increasebecause the rubble was still being searched.
The mayor, Ahmad Kahil, andother municipality staff had stayed behind in Nabatieh to assist people who hadnot fled, Turk says. The majority of the population of Nabatieh has left thearea following heavy Israeli air strikes.
"This is just like strikesall over Lebanon," she says. "They have hit civilians, Red Cross, civildefence. Now they have targeted a government building. It is unacceptable. Itis a massacre."
Previous strikes on Nabatieh in recent days have destroyed historic buildings, including an Ottoman-era market dating to 1910.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cjwdx0y5nj9t
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Israeli Soldiers Attacked Military Police at Gunpoint for Arresting Comrades Over Sde Teiman Abuse
IDF reservists with 'Force 100' assaulted military cops coming to arrest other soldiers suspected of attacking and sexually abusing a Gazan detainee. The claim wasn't investigated, as IDF police are avoiding the inquiry due to right-wing pressure, a source sayshttps://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...e-teiman/00000192-904d-d2db-ab97-dddd31dd0000
