Killing off members of the organization responsible?
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[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/10/pqkz-j10.html
aelf
Ashen One
Were those responsible for the deaths of Jews in your country killed off?
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
Lebanon: 'Whole neighbourhood wiped out' in Israel air strike
When the air strike hit on Monday night, Fouad Hassan, 74, was sitting on his balcony in south Beirut’s Jnah neighbourhood, reading his phone.No evacuation order was given by the Israeli army before the rocket slammed into the home of his children and grandchildren a short walk away.
“When the bombing happened, I fainted,” Fouad says. “I was taken to get oxygen due to the smoke from the strike. When I got better, I realised that the entire neighbourhood was devastated.”
Now a pile of mangled steel and masonry lies where a number of residential buildings stood closely together. Where buildings are still standing, people's possessions can be seen inside through holes blasted in the walls.
A digger and about 40 local men are doing the slow work to excavate and look for bodies under the rubble.
“Look at the destruction - a whole neighbourhood wiped out, the people here dead,” Fouad says, gesturing over the bomb site. “My granddaughter died here, and my grandson is still in a coma. Both were 23 years old.”
Fouad is a well-known figure in the community. An actor and comedian, he has appeared on Lebanese television and is known by his stage name Zaghloul. As we walk around the bomb site, locals come to shake Fouad’s hand and offer words of condolence.
Taking his phone from his pocket, Fouad shows us a picture of his granddaughter, Alaa. She looks confident, posing for the camera and wearing a smart gold dress.
“She was happily engaged, looking forward to getting married in three months,” Fouad says. “She applied to be Miss Lebanon and was shredded to pieces. Why? Why does the world allow this?”
Since Israel began escalating its air strikes against Hezbollah in September, rockets have hit across the length and breadth of the country. It is a military campaign that Israel’s leaders feel has brought them huge wins so far - having claimed the lives of Hezbollah’s senior leadership.
However it is also a campaign that has taken many innocent lives, with numerous reports of entire families being killed in strikes around the country.
Over 1,900 Lebanese people have been killed, according to government figures, since Israel stepped up the air strikes. The statistics do not differentiate between Hezbollah fighters and civilians.
Despite issuing no evacuation order to residents in advance on Monday night, the Israeli army subsequently stated that they were aiming for a “Hezbollah terrorist target”, but did not elaborate further.
First reports coming from the scene suggested that the compound of the Rafik Hariri hospital, the capital’s largest public hospital, had been struck, which the Israeli army denied.
The damage to the hospital is superficial, but across a road littered with parked cars that have their windows blown out, lies a poor neighbourhood that was hit.
Fouad’s son, Ahmed joins us. He shows us a picture of his son who lies in intensive care in the hospital, his face bandaged and bloody.
“This was my house; it’s gone now, just like everything else. We have no place to go and no clothes. This is a massacre. We have no base here, no Hezbollah, there’s nothing,” Ahmed tells us.
It is not clear why its army chooses to issue evacuation orders before some missile strikes and not others - but when Israel does strike without warning in a dense residential area, the human cost can be indiscriminate and high.
Fouad tells us of playing with the young children in the neighbourhood who were killed in the strike.
“Whenever I entered the neighbourhood, they would shout, 'Grandpa, Grandpa! What did you bring us?' I would give them candies, crisps, and popcorn. Their loss fills me with sorrow; they all died. Their mother is still trapped under the rubble with one of her children.”
As we begin to leave the site, a hush falls over those gathered and we see a stretcher carrying a wrapped body being taken away by the digger.
We are told that a mother was found next to a child.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr9l4l0xx4o
Ajidica
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In 1993 the PLO recognized the state of Israel, with Israel and Palestine signing the Oslo Agreement to establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.No it is not and no I do not.
Cease-fire is not peace.
It can be a step towards peace - but not as long as one side refuses to abandon destruction of another as its sole raison d'etre.
Under such conditions, it is just a wait for another festival massacre and a way to drag out suffering for another generation.
In 2024, does Israel support the existence of a Palestinian state in line with its Oslo obligation, or is it doing everything it can with bombs in Gaza and settler militias in the West Bank to ensure there will be no Palestinian state?
innonimatu
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Why, pardon me for not linking to any official web sites of the gaza governing authority. You wouldn't be able to read them anyway as they are "terrorists" and it would surely be an offense. But you can than israel's demolishing of Gana for the lack of such websites at present.
Your postings here don't distract from the ongoing genocide by Israel and its allies. As with this example, they just whos how far it already went: civilian administration in Gaza is all but wiped out. Infrastructure was destroyed. All 33 hospitals were destroyed. And you demand the luxury of an official description from its civilian administration. After the state you support destroyed it. Pure hypocrisy.
Zardnaar
Deity
Iran's been hit apparently. Shocked and stunned.
Klaus Hergersheimer
King
innonimatu It wasn't a demand; I was just generally curious if you knew
but your logic is a bit pretzel-like in structure here: Gaza's health ministry statistics are generally to be accepted...but they shouldn't be held to too high of a standard for scrutiny because their situation is disorganized.
So I guess the preponderance of evidence here is that: because they have little reason to make up stuff, their word is probably closest to the truth.
I don't really have the stamina to try and shake that claim. It's more he-said-she-said than anything analytical. But if you want to accept it, whatever.
so maybe let me ask a more simpler question along these same lines: something like 300+ Israeli soldiers were killed since the invasion of Gaza*. Who's shooting at them?
*just a quick google search I did, but for one source, there's this: https://apnews.com/article/israel-h...istics-40000-7ebec13101f6d08fe10cedbf5e172dde
but your logic is a bit pretzel-like in structure here: Gaza's health ministry statistics are generally to be accepted...but they shouldn't be held to too high of a standard for scrutiny because their situation is disorganized.
So I guess the preponderance of evidence here is that: because they have little reason to make up stuff, their word is probably closest to the truth.
I don't really have the stamina to try and shake that claim. It's more he-said-she-said than anything analytical. But if you want to accept it, whatever.
so maybe let me ask a more simpler question along these same lines: something like 300+ Israeli soldiers were killed since the invasion of Gaza*. Who's shooting at them?
*just a quick google search I did, but for one source, there's this: https://apnews.com/article/israel-h...istics-40000-7ebec13101f6d08fe10cedbf5e172dde
E.man
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By murdering tens of thousands in multiple countries and bombing schools hospitals and UN aid etc they are just making more people hate them and sowing the seeds for the next opposition 'name'.
Moderator Action: Stop talking about each other and stick to the events in the region.
innonimatu
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Sorry if I misundertood. I am getting touchy with this evil war.
Has it? From everything I've seen happen in the middle east I believe Israel does not have the military capability to do any relevant damage to Iran, outside of going nuclear. The reverse is not true.
Zardnaar
Deity
Israel strikes on Iran kill two soldiers, Iran says
The IDF says it struck military sites in "precise and targeted" strikes early on Saturday.
www.bbc.com
It was breaking news when I posted it.
Israel has hit Iran before they have medium and long range missiles. They hit Iraq 1980s do air launched is another option.
IDK what they've hit but oil families weren't a major one. They can turn off Iran's oil exports.
Lexicus
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Zardnaar
Deity
There's a single chokepoint on Iran's oil exports. Israel can hit it.
They would be idiots to do so and they haven't. But if it came down to us vs them total war it's an option.
Israel has second strike and missile capable submarines and long range missiles plus it's air force.
Snowygerry
Deity
They hit missile production facilities around the capital and also in Syria apparently, planes just returned to base after three attack rounds, according to correspondents there..
Zardnaar
Deity
Beats me why people think Israel can't hit Iran. They hit Iraq over 40 years ago.
Snowygerry
Deity
Probably they refuel over the Gulf or indeed Iraq, reports state they bombed “all night” other sources specifically mention 3 attack rounds, just this morning they are reported to have returned ‘to base”.
It was well known that Israel can attack Iranian production facilities, it is just that they have been very reluctant to do so, likely for political reasons.
It was well known that Israel can attack Iranian production facilities, it is just that they have been very reluctant to do so, likely for political reasons.
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Thorgalaeg
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A mix of ignorance and wishful thinking. There are some gold medalists in both disciplines in this forum. Israel air force can attack anything in Iran at will there is not even competition and Iran knows it perfectly. Israel on the other hand is too busy killing Palestinians right now so I don't think Iran-israel will escalate much further, at least not until Israel has ended dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah.
EnglishEdward
Deity
Good question.
Hamas: What has happened to its most prominent leaders?
The top figures in Hamas have become targets of Israel since the 7 October attacks.
www.bbc.co.uk
But there are still a couple of prominent oldies left.
Maybe Israel is hoping to let one survive to sign the unconditional surrender documents ?
The alternative being full on extermination ?
