[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux

Yep, it's only just begun. Bad things are about to happen between the Euphrates and the Nile.
 
So word on the street is Trump has clinched a ceasefire deal for Gaza, the same deal we were told the Biden administration has been "working tirelessly" towards for about 15 months now, before even taking office.
Yeah Biden is taking credit, while Team Trump is trying to take credit for it... I'd predicted before the election that Netanyahu was waiting for the election result, partially in order to kneecap Biden and in the hope of some guarantees of support from Trump.
Rumors beginning to emerge that the ceasefire deal may be largely BS, with neither Israel nor incoming Trump admin having any intention of abiding by the terms after phase 1 (so they will get some hostages back and then simply resume the genocide).
Yeah this is pretty much what I expected them to do ultimately. Again I suspect the only reason they didn't do it earlier is because they wanted to wait for the US election.
 
Anyone thinking Trump was a pacifist or pro Palestine is a fool.
Chinese/Russian psy op to get Trump into power.
 

Israel's Netanyahu says 'last-minute crisis' with Hamas holding up approval of Gaza truce and hostage deal​

Israeli strikes across the Gaza Strip have killed dozens over the past day, Palestinian officials say

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday that a "last-minute crisis" with Hamas was holding up Israeli approval of a long-awaited agreement to pause the fighting in the Gaza Strip and release dozens of hostages.

Israeli airstrikes, meanwhile, killed dozens of people across the war-ravaged territory.

Netanyahu's office said his cabinet won't meet to approve the agreement until Hamas backs down, accusing it of reneging on parts of the agreement in an attempt to gain further concessions.

Izzat al-Rashq, a senior Hamas official, said the militant group "is committed to the ceasefire agreement, which was announced by the mediators."

U.S. President Joe Biden and key mediator Qatar announced the deal on Wednesday, which is aimed at releasing scores of hostages held in Gaza and winding down a 15-month war that has destabilized the Middle East and sparked worldwide protests.

Netanyahu's office had earlier accused Hamas of backtracking on an earlier understanding that he said would give Israel a veto over which prisoners convicted of murder would be released in exchange for hostages.

Netanyahu has faced great domestic pressure to bring home the scores of hostages, but his far-right coalition partners have threatened to bring down his government if he makes too many concessions.

Deadly airstrikes continue​

Some Palestinians called for the deal to be implemented more quickly.

"We lose homes every hour. We demand for this joy not to go away, the joy that was drawn on our faces — don't waste it by delaying the implementation of the truce until Sunday," Gaza resident Mahmoud Abu Wardeh said.

While people celebrated the pact in Gaza and Israel, Israel's military conducted more attacks, the civil emergency service and residents said.

Mahmoud Basal, the spokesperson for the Palestinian Civil Emergency Service, said in a statement that 71 Palestinians had been killed and at least 200 others wounded.

The Israeli military is looking into the reports, a military spokesperson said.

Under the deal reached Wednesday, 33 hostages are set to be released over the next six weeks in exchange for hundreds of Palestinians imprisoned by Israel. Israeli forces will pull back from many areas, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would be able to return to what's left of their homes, and there would be a surge of humanitarian assistance.

The remainder of the hostages, including male soldiers, are to be released in a second — and much more difficult — phase that will be negotiated during the first. Hamas has said it will not release the remaining captives without a lasting ceasefire and a full Israeli withdrawal, while Israel has vowed to keep fighting until it dismantles the group and to maintain open-ended security control over the territory.

Talks continue in Cairo Thursday​

The war began when Hamas-led militants stormed into Israel in a surprise attack on Oct. 7, 2023, killing some 1,200 people, including several Canadian citizens, and abducting around 250. Some 100 hostages are still inside Gaza, and the Israeli military believes around a third and up to half of them are dead.

Israel's offensive has killed over 46,000 people in Gaza, mostly women and children, according to the enclave's Health Ministry. It does not say how many of the dead were militants. Israel says it has killed over 17,000 fighters, without providing evidence.

The war has destroyed vast areas of Gaza and displaced some 90 per cent of its population of 2.3 million people, according to the United Nations.

Mediators from Egypt, Qatar and the U.S. are expected to meet in Cairo on Thursday for talks on implementing the agreement. They have spent the past year holding indirect talks with Israel and Hamas that finally resulted in a deal after repeated setbacks.

U.S. president-elect Donald Trump's Mideast envoy joined the talks in the final weeks, and both the outgoing administration and Trump's team are taking credit for the breakthrough.

Many longer-term questions about postwar Gaza remain, including who will rule the territory or oversee the daunting task of reconstruction after a brutal conflict that has destabilized the broader Middle East and sparked worldwide protests.

Israel has come under heavy international criticism, including from its closest ally, the United States, over the civilian toll in Gaza. It also blames Hamas for the civilian casualties, accusing it of using schools, hospitals and residential areas for military purposes.

The International Court of Justice is investigating allegations brought by South Africa that Israel has committed genocide. The International Criminal Court, a separate body also based in The Hague, has issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu, his former defence minister and a Hamas commander for war crimes and crimes against humanity linked to the war.

Israel and the United States have condemned the actions taken by both courts.

Hamas, a militant group that does not accept Israel's existence, has come under overwhelming pressure from Israeli military operations, including the invasion of Gaza's largest cities and towns and the takeover of the border between Gaza and Egypt. Its top leaders, including Yahya Sinwar, who was believed to have helped mastermind the Oct. 7, 2023, attack, have been killed.

But its fighters have regrouped in some of the hardest-hit areas after the withdrawal of Israeli forces, raising the prospect of a prolonged insurgency if the war continues.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-hamas-ceasefire-last-minute-crisis-1.7432769
 
If it collapses at the last minute, I wonder how Trump's story will change.
 
If a cease fire collapses there would be zero surprise from me if it was because some Hamas members simply decided they didn't want to obey it.

We can very much like to pretend that there are two and only two parties here, Israel and Hamas. But if I'm led to believe what I've read in these topics for some time now, certain Palestinians ought to have very little reason for wanting to give their (supposed?) representatives at the talks the benefit of the doubt, as they would not feel that their own grievances vis a vis Israel are in any way settled enough to stop shooting...
 
If a cease fire collapses there would be zero surprise from me if it was because some Hamas members simply decided they didn't want to obey it.
Every potential ceasefire in the current conflict to date has been sabotaged by Israel. Including, it looks like, this one.
 
Shockingly, the people with power in the situation are the ones responsible for its outcome. Who knew?

I sincerely hope this can be the beginning of the end for the Israeli project and they can hopefully, just maybe, become a normal country instead of an insane ethnostate. Still going to be budgeting out for gofundmes.
 
certain Palestinians ought to have very little reason for wanting to give their (supposed?) representatives at the talks the benefit of the doubt, as they would not feel that their own grievances vis a vis Israel are in any way settled enough to stop shooting...
If there is any considerable amount of Palestinians who still believe their grievances can be best settled by continuing shooting, then the peace is doomed as premature. 🤷‍♂️
 
The Israeli could literally come out and say we don't want a peace and there will still be [REDACTED] going on how it's the Palestinians' fault


 
The Israeli could literally come out and say we don't want a peace and there will still be [REDACTED] going on how it's the Palestinians' fault


Yes.
Why should Israel accept any deal that does not include acknowledgement of its rightful existence?
"We'd like a break to resume attacking you once it is more convenient" is not a reasonable proposal.
 
If it collapses at the last minute, I wonder how Trump's story will change.
Of course Trump will stop trying to take credit as he has been doing, and blame Biden, saying its all Biden's fault the deal fell through.

I can't help but think the deal "collapsing" has something to do with Biden taking credit for it. If the deal goes through with Biden still in office, then Biden will be able to continue to take credit for it, whereas if Netanyahu just waits for Trump to get into office, they will be able to claim that Biden couldn't seal the deal and it was only made possible by Trump taking office. Netanyahu is trying to ingratiate himself to Trump so that he can ask Trump for favors/support going forward.
 
I can't help but think the deal "collapsing" has something to do with Biden taking credit for it. If the deal goes through with Biden still in office, then Biden will be able to continue to take credit for it, whereas if Netanyahu just waits for Trump to get into office, they will be able to claim that Biden couldn't seal the deal and it was only made possible by Trump taking office.
Netanyahu's Far right ministers don't want a ceasefire, they want the total destruction of Hamas, right down to the garbadge collectors and janitors and their families so that Gaza is emptied so they can re-settle it with Their people.
Every ceasefire attempt they threatened to take down the government which would cause Netanyahu to lose immunity and get hit by the corruption charges he's been evading for like 20 years.
 
Yes.
Why should Israel accept any deal that does not include acknowledgement of its rightful existence?

"To get any hostages back alive" is the simple answer.

The slightly more complicated answer is that Israel's existence is in fact no more "rightful" than the existence of Russian sovereignty over Ukrainian territory...
 
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