[RD] War in Gaza News: Pas de Deux

[Ajidica]

Opposition to Israel makes some sense, if you divorce the question totally from what the other belligerent in this horrorshow says about the nature of its struggle. Of course, those remarks and clarifications, helpfully provided by Hamas leaders, are really quite hideous and baffling, and divorcing them from the question doesn't make any sense to me.

I dunno. Seems some people(here, I speak generally and not about any CFC posters particularly) are so determined to be "on the side of the underdog" that they'll ignore pretty glaringly obvious problems with said underdog and expect Israel to do likewise, and of course, Israel does not have that luxury.

Could you elaborate on what you mean here (bolded text)?

 

[Lexicus]

Opposition to Israel makes some sense, if you divorce the question totally from what the other belligerent in this horrorshow says about the nature of its struggle.

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www.cnn.com

The signatories unanimously described treating children who had suffered injuries they believed must have been deliberately inflicted. “Specifically, every one of us on a daily basis treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head and chest,” they wrote.

I find myself agreeing with this man

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, get to working on it then.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Could you elaborate on what you mean here (bolded text)?

Sure: they promise to use violence against Israel, and critically, did so horrifically, necessitating more direct action against them than was previously needed.

 

[caketastydelish]

speaking as someone born in 1991 (and American) didn’t pay much attention to politics until 9/11 meaning the first election that I kept up with was the 2004 one. In the election I got a sense that Kerry was much more multilateral in his approach to foreign policy than bush. I think romney and McCain (if elected) wouldn’t have differed from Obama foreign policy thst much, but trump seems very unilateral and what most of the rest of the world (even our Allie’s) thinks of him is completely irrelevant to him. He has threatened to take Greenland by force (a U.S. ally and nato member) so if that is on the table invading and occupying Gaza is totally doable. I actually don’t expect much U.S. casualties simply because there’s nowhere to hide in Gaza due to buildings being leveled. Hit and run attacks only work if there’s somewhere you can get out of sight once you’ve attacked. Hamas deliberately blends in with the civilian population. But when civilian buildings are also destroyed, there’s nowhere to run to. Personally I think it’s cowardly (as well as hypocritical) to launch an attack, then blend into the civilian population, then complain of “war crimes” when they retaliate by attacking where you were. I haven’t noticed any times the idf blended in with the Israeli civilian population, or even tried to for that matter. I think poorly of trump but also think poorly of Hamas. They KNOW by blending into the civilian population that gives the idf no choice but to inflict civilian casualties to eliminate Hamas fighters. Besides Hamas had no problem killing civilians on October 7th so it’s hypocritical for them to complain about it in that regard too. America invading somewhere and occupying it has happened plenty of times before even in my lifetime. If we can do that to entire countries, Gaza is totally possible. I think it’s the wrong decision though like most everything else trump does. Hamas remains in power now but that is irrelevant. They no longer have the ability to inflict a meaningful attack on Israel anymore. Paragliders caught Israel by surprise but they can easily enhance their security so they won’t happen again.

 

[Gorbles]

Sure: they promise to use violence against Israel, and critically, did so horrifically, necessitating more direct action against them than was previously needed.

I'm assuming you missed Broken_Erika's post where they provide what looks like Israeli confirmation of the so-called Hannibal directive?

This would mean that "horrifically" is actually split on terms of culpability, contrary to the narrative pushed so far that Hamas did it all.

 

[Lexicus]

Sure: they promise to use violence against Israel, and critically, did so horrifically, necessitating more direct action against them than was previously needed.

This logic justifies October 7th too but pay no attention to that

 

[Farm Boy]

Is anyone ignoring the social and historical ongoing horrors of the least holy lands on earth?

 

[Lexicus]

Is anyone ignoring the social and historical ongoing horrors of the least holy lands on earth?

A number of posters seem to believe that the Israel-Palestine conflict began on October 7, 2023

 

[Farm Boy]

Who?

 

[Senethro]

Who?

Anytime anyone who says the party most responsible for the current situation is acting purely from self defense. As if they didn't bring the pre-Oct 7th situation about.

They've refused and sabotaged negotiation, and have a gigantic military superiority. On some level, they're ok with this state of affairs and believe they can always utilize it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Who?

 

[Gorbles]

Failing to see the value in giving names, mainly because I've seen this attempt at a derail happen before. Lead with good faith Farm Boy, explain what use the names have.

In the meantime, more news.

International criminal court condemns Trump sanctions on its staff

Court says US move is an attempt to ‘harm its impartial judicial work’ and calls on member states to oppose it

www.theguardian.com

Trump imposes sanctions on ICC, accusing it of targeting US and Israel

US president has been critical of court since it issued war crimes arrest warrant for Netanyahu, who welcomes executive order targeting ‘lawfare’ against Israel

www.theguardian.com

And some timeline links:

Middle East crisis live: UN calls on Washington to reverse ICC sanctions

United Nations says it deeply regrets US president Donald Trump’s decision to sign executive order imposing sanctions on international criminal court

www.theguardian.com

'No future for peace if Hamas remains', says Netanyahu

Netanyahu says he and Trump discussed how to stop Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon and make sure that Hamas is “destroyed”.

“We’re not going to have a future for Gaza or a future for peace in our part of the world if Hamas remains there,” he says.

Middle East crisis live: UN calls on Washington to reverse ICC sanctions

United Nations says it deeply regrets US president Donald Trump’s decision to sign executive order imposing sanctions on international criminal court

www.theguardian.com

Hamas delays naming of hostages to be released, alleging ceasefire breach

Hamas has accused Israel of multiple breaches of the ceasefire agreement, alleging that it has delayed hundreds of humanitarian aid trucks and only allowed in a fraction of the tents needed to accommodate people who have lost their homes in the conflict.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ah, yes. Let's talk about people like they aren't here. There is no value past insinuation. Well, depends on what you're aiming for! For fighting the hypothetical boogeyman that is both here and not here, that seems...good enough.

 

[Gorbles]

Ah, yes. Let's talk about people like they aren't here. There is no value past insinuation. Well, depends on what you're aiming for! For fighting the hypothetical boogeyman that is both here and not here, that seems...good enough.

I try not to tag unnecessarily. I was asking you, given the name, but alrighty. Describing the who as "hypothetical boogeyman" is a good enough answer. Cheers.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm not talking about our conversational partners, assigning them opinions, then refusing to admit what I'm (repeatedly) doing.

You're just being manipulative and mean. Welcome to the internet, Farm Boy!

 

[Gorbles]

I'm not talking about our conversational partners, assigning them opinions, then refusing to admit what I'm (repeatedly) doing.

You're just being manipulative and mean. Welcome to the internet, Farm Boy!

And you're being selective, which also falls under manipulative, so here we are. I'm going to go back to posting news, which is generally the point of the thread.

 

[Lexicus]

Who?

Sarin, Voidwalkin, Ordnael, EnglishEdward, Klaus Hergebwjsisnab, Yeekim, others I'm forgetting

 

[Voidwalkin]

This logic justifies October 7th too but pay no attention to that

This claim of Hamas as some kind of Palestinian defense force would land much better if they didn't have a charter calling for Israel's explicit destruction.

A number of posters seem to believe that the Israel-Palestine conflict began on October 7, 2023

The history is important here, indeed.

Specifically, the displacement occurred seventy five years ago, and major Hamas leaders still called for average Palestinians to go Rwanda with it, like, last year.

 

[Gorbles]

This claim of Hamas as some kind of Palestinian defense force would land much better if they didn't have a charter calling for Israel's explicit destruction.

"justification" and "Palestinian defense force" are completely separate terms, and the former has nothing to do with any charter Hamas may have.

Like, Israel funded them in the past. What good is raising their charter? Didn't stop Israel funding them!

Have you perused any of the news shared on the past couple of pages?