1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

War in Iraq unneccessary?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Fuzzz, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. Fuzzz

    Fuzzz you

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2006
    Messages:
    487
    The recent state of turmoil in the Middle East has proven that the people who are angered with their leaders can peacefully demand a shift in government. Tunisian and Egyptian people have already gotten rid of their respective leaders with protests.

    People from other countries like Yemen, Jordan,... have also protested against their respective leaders.

    Do you think that if USA had not invaded Iraq in 2003, people would now be standing up against Saddam Hussain? Was the situation in Iraq too complicated (Sunni v. Shi'ite Islam, repressive Iraqi military personnel...); or has the US just been wasting its efforts in Iraq, not knowing that the situation might have been resolved by doing nothing?
     
  2. holy king

    holy king Deity

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,323
    Location:
    Vienna, Austria
    wait, i thought the war was about wmds for which proof had been forged?
     
  3. Fuzzz

    Fuzzz you

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2006
    Messages:
    487
    :think: oh yea... :rolleyes:
     
  4. Bestbank Tiger

    Bestbank Tiger Deity

    Joined:
    May 23, 2006
    Messages:
    2,137
    Location:
    Mississippi Gulf Coast
    There had already been active resistance against Saddam and it was cruelly stomped out. If your goal was to remove Saddam the invasion was needed.

    Let's not forget that the Iranian resistance was crushed just last year, so it's not like simply not liking the regime is sufficient for the people to change from within. When Communist governments fell throughout Europe 20 years ago, the Chicoms murdered thousands of protestors at Tianenman Square and Slobo started an ethnic war to extend his hold on power.
     
  5. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2003
    Messages:
    33,999
    Location:
    USA #1
    That was one of the first excuses. This one came much later after all the original ones turned out to be deliberate lies and intentional deceit.

    The neocons had been pushing for the invasion and occupation of Iraq ever since the first Gulf War. 9/11 finally gave them the excuse they needed, even though Iraq obviously had nothing to do with it.
     
  6. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2004
    Messages:
    9,359
    Location:
    Skaville UK Reputation: 1
    Would the recent protests have happened if not for the war in Eye-raq? :dunno:
     
  7. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2001
    Messages:
    42,968
    Location:
    Chicago Sunroofing
    Regime change cannot happen by mere protest just anywhere. It would be doubtful that President Obama would step down now matter how many dozens of Tea Partiers took public transportation down to the Mall.
     
  8. Moss

    Moss CFC Scribe Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2002
    Messages:
    6,584
    Location:
    Minnesota
    While I don't think the war in Iraq was necessary, I also don't believe that the situation in Iraq was such that any type of popular uprising would be successful. Much like we have seen in Iran, the security forces would have squashed any type of protests.
     
  9. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    46,853
    Location:
    In Perpetual Motion
    Yeah. All middle eastern countries are exactly alike.
     
  10. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2001
    Messages:
    42,968
    Location:
    Chicago Sunroofing
    Yeah, Iraq was more like Israel than Egypt in terms of what it would take to get positive regime change.
     
  11. Silurian

    Silurian Deity

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2010
    Messages:
    7,567
    If the US had not invaded and occupied Iraq then maybe the situation where people started leaking stuff to wikileaks might not have happened to such an extent.

    But I do not think this is how the Neo cons planned it.
     
  12. GamezRule

    GamezRule Inconceivable!

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    8,668
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Michigan
    Iraq was GWB just finishing what daddy started.
     
  13. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2005
    Messages:
    51,079
    Location:
    Stamford Bridge
    Of course it was necessary - if Iraq wasn't invaded the U.S. would have already been hit with biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons, killing millions. The shift to democracy was just a side effect.
     
  14. Silurian

    Silurian Deity

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2010
    Messages:
    7,567
    Why would Israel attack the US
     
  15. amadeus

    amadeus Civ2 / Law and Order!

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    35,413
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Osaka (大阪)
    I don't think Hussein would have allowed anyone protesting his rule. If you said something bad about him, you'd have your tongue cut out.
     
  16. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    32,588
    Location:
    Moscow
    You people are really bad at alternate history

    who's to say Saddam would even still be in power right now, even absent an invasion?
     
  17. amadeus

    amadeus Civ2 / Law and Order!

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    35,413
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Osaka (大阪)
    Outline some of the scenarios where Saddam is gone.
     
  18. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    32,588
    Location:
    Moscow
    I honestly don't know enough about pre-2003 Iraq to be able to make any reasonable guesses on how things would play out after Saddam was gone!
     
  19. GamezRule

    GamezRule Inconceivable!

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    8,668
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Michigan
    He might have died, or been overthrown in a coup.
     
  20. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2001
    Messages:
    42,968
    Location:
    Chicago Sunroofing
    Death.
     

Share This Page