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War in the middle east?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by thedirk, Jul 27, 2001.

  1. thedirk

    thedirk Master of Stealth

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    A friend of mine just sent me this link. If the report is true, I'm often a little sceptical of unamed sources, it is quite disturbing. Is Saddam up to his old tricks again?
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23803

    (I'm not sure how reliable this site is, I have never visited it before)



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  2. Iroquois

    Iroquois Guest

    Is this the beginning of the end? How close are the Iraqi 8ball troops to Armagedeon?

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  3. Andu Indorin

    Andu Indorin Retired Druid

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    Colorful Story ... and perhaps wishful thinking as well.

    One must suspect a news organization based out of a P.O. Box in Cave Junction, Oregon; it might be the "news division" of one of those apocolyptic religious sects that make their home in the northwestern U.S.
     
  4. thedirk

    thedirk Master of Stealth

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    Now that I went and had a closer look at the site myself, I'm thinking perhaps I posted to quickly.
     
  5. Cunobelin Of Hippo

    Cunobelin Of Hippo Site Pachyderm

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    It's tough to tell with these online 'News' sources, isn't it? I don't think I'll be heading out to the bomb shelter too quickly
     
  6. HIEROPHANT

    HIEROPHANT Videogame God

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    saddam needs to be destroyed before he causes anymore problems. My uncle was in the desert storm war.
     
  7. willemvanoranje

    willemvanoranje Curitibano

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    Saddam will be stopped. That bastard thinks he's the man in his little desert-ass country. He thinks he's so great, but he better watch it.

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  8. Vrylakas

    Vrylakas The Verbose Lord

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    Saddam isn't the problem - he's a part of the problem. The great cause of the 19th and early 20th century for Arabs and Moslems was independence from European colonial rule. It wasn't just that they detested foreign rule, it was that they'd always believed their civilization to be superior - God-blessed! - and couldn't fathom being ruled by barbarians. When, after the world wars, independence was achieved, the assumption was that prosperity and eventual technological & cultural triumph over the barbaric infidel West would naturally follow. It didn't.

    The first reaction was Arab nationalism, which stretched across religious lines to include (in fact be led by) Christian Arabs. Nasser in Eqypt, Qhaddafy in Libya, Assad in Syria and Saddam Hussein in Iraq were all a part of this wave. They were usually involved with socialist political movements like the Ba'athists. After several failed wars against Israel, however - Israel representing not so much the conquerer of their Palestinian brothers as the local Trojan Horse for the West in the Arab lands - the Arab nationalist cause fell apart, especially when the Eqyptian and Syrian UAR failed.

    It has been superceded by Islamic fundamentalism, the belief that nationalism is a Western, materialistic and anti-religious phenomenon and that only devotion to Allah and strict shariyah (holy law) can revive Islamic fortunes. Of course, as with any fundamentalist movement, there's always the problem of interpretation; what did the prophet really mean when he said... or did...? Some say he meant this, others say he clearly meant that. Anyway, Islamic fundamentalism - which had its origins in a non-Arab nation, Iran - has come to be seen as the solution for the region's problems. The 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War was a war between these two ideologies; Iraqi Pan-Arab nationalism versus Iranian Pan-Islamic fundamentalism. The Lebanese Civil War, sparked by Arafat and his Fatah, was also a war between Islamic militants and Arab nationalists. Qhaddafy has had to suppress several Islamic uprisings in Libya.

    The bottom line here is that simply eliminating Saddam will not do the trick. Yes, he's a murderous bastard who deserves a Tomahawk missile up his butt, but he's more a product of a larger cultural conflict than the cause of it. Rulers like Saddam rely on a powerful sense of abbhorance among their peoples of having been conquered and ruled by the infidel West. These rulers stoke this anti-Western passion by blaming the poverty, corruption and technological backwardness of their countries on a few decades of Western imperialism. The point is to keep the focus away from themselves and their own corruption....

    The only hope, methinks, is the kind of social maturity and development that's been taking place in Iran with Khatami - ironically the country that kicked off the last wave, Islamic fundamentalism, that destroyed the first wave, Arab nationalism. Truly the Iranians are trend-setters. If a successful Islamic democracy can develop in the Middle East, free of Western influence and seen to be completely "home grown", then - and only then - will the dictators like Saddam and Qhaddafy become obsolete in their peoples' eyes. No, an Iranian democracy is not likely to fall into the West's arms and embrace us, saying "Let's let bygones be bygones"; but functional democracies can at least deal with each other on a civil level without using terrorism against one another. In this way Iran could become the democratic example that Eqypt and Indonesia have failed to be for the Islamic world, and proof that Islam can co-exist within a modern, democratic society without resorting to medieval laws & practices.

    Well, there's my $.02...

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  9. Eli

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    We'll nuke him.


    Too lazy for serious discussion now.
     
  10. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    The best argument...to quote Hierophant

    "saddam needs to be destroyed before he causes anymore problems. My uncle was in the desert storm war."

    WTF does your uncle got to do with anything?
    I don´t understand the context of your uncle in the paragraph you are using...Saddam causes problems in that he got you uncle to fight in Desert War...well a great time to destroy him now some 10 years AFTER.

    Saddam is a result of our weakness to show how easily we can take down these countries in the Middle-East. We had to keep Saddam or else insult greatly the other Arab States and give a mighty hand to Israel!

    It is politic we wait for the dumb-ass Iraqis to realise they could be living ALOT better if they got rid of Saddam.
     
  11. animepornstar

    animepornstar Deity

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    i think i must add that it was the british and the americans that put saddam on the throne and protected him against rebels after the gulf war.

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  12. Eli

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    La bump.
     
  13. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    ...we put him on a throne? Long live KING Saddam...

    We HARDLY PUT him there...we just LOVED him for bashing Iran...and kinda gave him some guns (including some pipes for a super-gun).

    Why did we attack him...he was a friend and we betrayed him (hehe).
     
  14. Håkan Eriksson

    Håkan Eriksson Commander of the Swedes.

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    I think that in 20 years there will still be "war" in middeleast.

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  15. thedirk

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    Very ture Hakan. As long as Israel is there, the Palestinians and other Arab countires will fight them. And if they somehow managed to get rid of Israel, the Arabs would probably start fighting with each other. At the moment they overlook many of their differences for the sake of fighting the common enemy. But if Israel were removed from the situation, those sorts of diffences would come to the fore and fighting would continue.
     
  16. Håkan Eriksson

    Håkan Eriksson Commander of the Swedes.

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    One thing is that two religions have Jerusalem as their holy city and both want the city for them self.

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  17. Mothman

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    Three Religions have Jerusalem as there holy city. Judaism, Muslim, And Christianity that's what the whole Crusades thing was about. The Christians wanted to take the place of birth of Jesus from the Muslims and Jews.

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  18. Mothman

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    and by birth place i mean the general area around there

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  19. SunTzu

    SunTzu Hooah Retired Moderator

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    I'm glad that ISrael is finally taking action against Palestine. Drive them into Iraq and let Saddam handle them

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  20. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    Compared to London the middle-east isn´t very diverse...the Jews claim to being the chosen people is why I think they must die.

    WHY Kitten? Well, god will look after his own in Heaven...it is there the rest of us have to watch out.
     

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