[RD] War in Ukraine: Other topics

Personal opinion. Disagree. Conscripting N soldiers does not mean they lost N soldiers. It just means they want more numbers because they are losing territory.


Personal opinion. Disagree. The most NATO will do is naval and air transport support, and that's less than 1% chance. Nobody will send ground forces to the meat grinder.
More troops do not automatically translate into greater willingness to spend their lives. That's the fundamental "problem" with the Ukraninan approach compared to the Russian – they are casualty averse, relatively speaking. That's why the whole Ukranian approach to the Russian aggressive pushing it to try to punish the Russians when they come, but not hang on to any particular piece of land, if it seriously starts costing Ukranian casualties.

Under those circumstance more mobilized troops means greater spread of risks over the general solider population. There is no part of the troops that is considered simply "expendable" by the Ukranian side. Then the only functional way of dealing with the risk of death or serious injury for the troops becomes to try to distribute the risks as widely as possible, over as many as possible. That doesn't solve the problem, but it makes it a bit more manageable.

So no, also, it does not mean huge Ukranian casualty rates can just be inferred from a Ukranian desire, and need, to mobilize more men here.

It all depends on how they are being used. But the Russian assumptions might tend to be to assume everything everywhere else is worse than in Russia – since Russia is just inherently better at all things, QED.
 
You are confusing me with someone else.
Exact losses cannot be determined for any side at this point, and are hugely a matter of speculations and propaganda.
But general conclusions about high Ukrainian losses, are fair.
Fundamentally the Ukranians want to live for Ukraine – while the Russians might not particularly want to die for Russia, but so far they take the money and their chances that come with it, which so far has involved a lot more dying than for the Ukranians.
 

Why The Recent U.S. Aid Package To Ukraine Included 2,000 Humvees​

On October 16, 2024, the U.S. State Department announced a military aid package valued at $425M to Ukraine, which includes the standard stock of ammunition and missiles. This package also provides approximately 2,000 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV), commonly referred to as Humvees, durable light military trucks that have been a mainstay of U.S. ground forces since the 1980s. On social media, some critics questioned why the U.S. chose to send these aging vehicles. However, the inclusion of Humvees in the aid package makes logical sense given the current and future needs of Ukraine.

Ukraine requires a significant amount of equipment to sustain its defense that spreads across a 600-mile front, with Russia attacking along three primary axes. These defensive positions are under daily bombardment from Russian artillery, which seeks to create holes in the Ukrainian lines. Ukraine has lost a substantial number of vehicles, with Oryxspioenkop reporting over 220 vehicle losses in October alone and almost 2,000 since the start of the year. These numbers only include those vehicles that have been visually confirmed, so the actual losses are considerably higher. To avoid creating gaps in their lines, Ukraine needs military vehicles to replace their losses.

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To meet Ukraine’s demand for vehicles, the U.S. has an ample supply of Humvees, as it is phasing out half of its fleet, approximately 50,000 vehicles, for the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle. Until recently, these Humvees were still operational, meaning they are well maintained and ready for combat. Additionally, since these vehicles are being decommissioned, they are significantly less expensive than more advanced combat systems, allowing the U.S. to send more of them to Ukraine while staying under spending thresholds.

Upon receipt, Ukraine can quickly integrate the Humvees into their formations, as they drive similarly to civilian cars, eliminating the need for extensive training. Furthermore, Ukrainian soldiers are already familiar with the Humvee, having received 3,000 of them earlier in the conflict. They have been used extensively, and Ukrainian soldiers have spoken favorably about their performance.

More than just being a replacement vehicle, the Humvee fits in well with Ukraine’s current defensive strategy. The Ukrainian defensive lines are integrated with a number of towns and cities, including Kharkiv City, Chasiv Yar, and Svatove. In urban environments, tanks and artillery are less effective, forcing Russian troops into brutal dismounted combat. The Humvee can easily navigate narrow streets and has been used extensively by the U.S. military for urban operations. Its role as a mobile weapon platform allows Ukrainian forces to transport heavy weapons swiftly to counter Russian dismounted advances. A recent video from Kursk highlighted this capability, as a Humvee-mounted machine gun successfully repelling a Russian counterattack.


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With future American aid packages to Ukraine being uncertain, the Humvee also has the potential to adapt to the next phases of the war, maintaining its relevancy on the battlefield. Its versatility is clear, having been designed for the Cold War, but used extensively throughout the Global War on Terror. It can operate across diverse conditions, including urban landscapes, mountains, and flooded areas. At its core, the Humvee is a simple vehicle with a well-engineered powertrain, allowing it to perform a range of missions, including troop movements, scouting, medical evacuations, and resupply missions.


In addition to using Humvees for these standard mission sets, Ukrainian forces are using modified Humvees for other tasks. Some Ukrainian units have transformed Humvees into mobile maintenance platforms, enabling on-the-go repairs of armored vehicles in the field. Other units have mounted anti-aircraft guns and counter-drone systems onto Humvees, creating mobile air-defense platforms. Ukraine has also reportedly received Humvees with 105mm artillery pieces, effectively transforming them into self-propelled howitzers.

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As the war continues, Ukraine will continue this trend of expanding the capabilities of the Humvee. Indeed, Ukraine’s primary advantage in this war is currently its growing defense industrial base, which can innovate new technologies significantly faster than Russia. In particular, Ukraine is producing various electronic warfare and counter-drone systems that could provide its forces with a decisive edge on the battlefield. It is also improving traditional weapon development programs, including howitzers and kinetic weapons. However, many of these new technologies must be integrated onto a mobile platform for effective use by Ukrainian forces. The Humvee, as an older system, facilitates this integration without the risk of interfering with complex electronics. Furthermore, its powertrain can support such payloads while providing a reliable source of power.

For over four decades, the Humvee has served as the backbone of the U.S. military. Rather than being decommissioned, these vehicles are finding a new life with the Ukrainian military, who will use them to strengthen their defenses. Beyond simply filling in as a replacement, the Humvee holds the potential to become an advanced vehicle platform when integrated with innovative technology.
 
I say NK boots on the ground should be greeted by NATO boots.
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I think he means with the flags.
 
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Are you trying to compare the few foreign volunteers from multiple countries Ukraine has to whole multiple battalions NK troops are forming!? Futile attempt at deception!
 
Are you trying to compare the few foreign volunteers from multiple countries Ukraine has to whole multiple battalions NK troops are forming!? Futile attempt at deception!
The International Legion Defence of Ukraine from 1,500 up to 30,000 personel


How many NK troops did you saw on the battlefield? For now I see only hyip in western mass media, no evidence of present NK troops, except training in military camp in Russian Far East camp.
 
The International Legion Defence of Ukraine from 1,500 up to 30,000 personel


How many NK troops did you saw on the battlefield? For now I see only hyip in western mass media, no evidence of present NK troops, except training in military camp in Russian Far East camp.
Russia has thousands of foreign recruited volunteers in its ranks – just Nepalis might be as many as 6000.

No, you don't get an earful about that.

The difference is that NK troops are NK troops – directly the troops of another state.

So now we have another state-actor at war – undeclared or not – with Ukraine. And as it happens, it is still technically at war with South Korea just for added spice.

Or maybe Moscow might conclude this is an escalatory step too far, and try to shunt the NKers back home again, and pretend nuffin' never happened? Which seems to be what's currently coming out of Russians re this.

We don't expect Moscow to admit to walking itself back from something, if it does walk itself back, anyway.
 

Taiwan May Have Rearmed Ukraine’s Air Defense Force​

Without much fanfare, Taiwan may have become one of the Ukraine air force’s biggest boosters. According to former Pentagon official Tony Hu, Taiwan has donated its surplus HAWK surface-to-air missile batteries to the Ukrainian air force.

Hu’s comments to YouTube channel RJ War Room seem to confirm reporting from 2023 hinting at a U.S.-brokered air-defense deal between Taiwan and Ukraine. The Taiwanese MIM-23 Homing All-the-Way Killer missiles, plus their launchers and radars, would complement additional HAWKs donated to Ukraine by the United States and Spain.

In all, Ukraine could deploy as many as 15 of the Raytheon-made HAWK batteries, each with at least six three-missile launchers and associated radars. The Ukrainian air force went to war in February 2022 with around 50 SAM batteries—S-300s and other ex-Soviet models, mostly—and has since swapped out many of the surviving Soviet batteries for more modern Western systems, including American-made Patriots.

Assuming the overall Ukrainian air-defense force structure has remained roughly the same size after subtracting combat losses and adding donated equipment, the HAWKs could comprise nearly a third of the force. Taiwan isn’t a vocal supporter of Ukraine’s war effort, but it is a significant one.

The HAWK is more than 60 years old. But it’s simple, reliable, highly-mobile on its towed launchers, easy to upgrade and works just fine against slower drones, cruise missiles and manned aircraft. As a bonus, the 17-foot HAWK missile is compatible with another, more modern air-defense system that Ukraine uses: the U.S.-Norwegian National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System, or NASAMS.

As early as the summer of 2023, U.S. officials were reportedly negotiating with their counterparts in Taiwan to buy back from Taipei the dozen or so HAWK batteries—with around a hundred launchers in all—that Taiwanese forces began retiring back in 2015 and replacing with locally-designed systems and imported NASAMS.

At the time, a big consignment of HAWKs promised to help Kyiv resolve a looming crisis: the imminent depletion of missile stocks for ex-Soviet S-300 and Buk SAM batteries. Since then, Ukraine has diversified its air-defense network by integrating a wide array of foreign missiles, launchers and radars.

That diversification is key. The more different SAM systems Ukraine operates, the more different missile stockpiles and production lines it can tap to arm those systems with replacement missiles as they fire away at nearly daily Russian missile and drone raids. Dozens of countries operate or operated HAWK batteries. Ukraine should be able to source hundreds of missiles, with or without direct U.S. involvement.

The HAWK isn’t in the same class as Ukraine’s best SAM, the Patriot, which ranges as far as 100 miles with an onboard radar seeker. A HAWK missile ranges just 30 or so miles, homing in on energy from a ground-based radar reflecting from the airborne target.

The main downside to the HAWK system is that its radar is susceptible to jamming. It might help Ukraine if integrated the old missiles and launchers with the superior radar associated with the newer NASAMS.
 
while the Russians might not particularly want to die for Russia, but so far they take the money and their chances that come with it
I rather think it is more about obeying orders than being shot for desertion, insubordination or mutiny.
 
I rather think it is more about obeying orders than being shot for desertion, insubordination or mutiny.
Sure, but that's after they get in uniform, where they can be shot at. The trick is to get civilians there in the first place.
 

Ukrainians Wait For Trump To Transform The War, For Better Or Worse​

With Donald Trump’s reelection roiling capitals across Europe and Asia, in Ukraine, where many expect the new administration to make the most dramatic changes to U.S. policy, the mood is mixed, at once anxious and surprisingly hopeful.

“No one is committing suicide,” Anton Grushetskyi, executive director of the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, a leading polling firm, told me in an interview. “For Ukrainians, this is an existential war. Russia wants to eliminate us and destroy our country, and we can’t just give up.” But as the fighting grinds on, with no victory in sight, many are considering a different approach.

President Volodymyr Zelensky’s “victory plan,” presented to Trump earlier this fall, includes several planks designed to appeal to what is expected to be the new administration’s transactional approach to foreign policy. And many voices, on social media and in parliament, are emphasizing what Kyiv should do in the months ahead to strengthen its hand in anticipation of a Trump presidency.

“Ukraine needs to show what it can offer the United States,” member of parliament Oleksiy Goncharenko noted in an email to me. “We have vast national resources. We have a strong army with unparalleled combat experience and a huge country that can feed almost half the world. Ukraine has to work around the clock to promote these messages.”

The election came at a difficult time for Ukrainians. The war is not going well. Russian forces backed by more ample resources—more abundant weapons and manpower—are on the verge of breaking through at several strategic points along the front line.
Ukrainian troops, many of whom have been fighting without a break for more than two years, are tired, and their ranks are badly depleted. Efforts launched this summer to reinforce them with fresh units are petering out amid widespread reluctance to fight. Nightly air alerts threaten Kyiv and other cities, and a cold winter looms as authorities struggle to repair an electric grid badly damaged by months of Russian missile strikes.

Against this dark background, Ukrainians followed closely as the American presidential campaign unfolded. Trump’s admiration for Vladimir Putin and his repeated promises to end the war were widely covered in the press and social media, and much of the public seemed to be rooting for a Kamala Harris victory.
But now that the outcome is clear, Ukrainians are adjusting. As they surprised the world in 2022, finding creative ways to fight off what many expected to be a quick Russian victory, so again today, they are adapting to the circumstances.

Many Ukrainians Are Ready To Gamble On A Bolder Trump Approach​

The first hints of a new public mood appeared on election day in social media. The popular Telegram channel hosted by political activist Serhii Sternenko asked its followers who they would vote for, and 720 replied. Opinion ran mildly in favor of Kamala Harris. Trump “frankly does not like Ukraine,” someone who identified herself as Eva noted. And many subscribers named candidates not on the ballot, including Ronald Reagan and John McCain. But there was also a notable swelling of support for Donald Trump.
“Nothing will change with Harris,” wrote a Telegram user who goes by Oleh, opting for the GOP ticket. Someone going by the name of Bakhmut agreed: “I no longer trust the Democrats or the USA in general,” he argued. “The help they provided was enough to deter Russia, but they never wanted us to win.” Although not thrilled about either candidate, he and several dozen other respondents came down in favor of Trump.
Attitudes continued to shift in the days after the election. Social media was full of caustic humor, but many comments were more reflective. “We have to accept the choice of the American people,” one Ukrainian army veteran urged on Facebook, “and find ways to engage with the new administration.”
Politicians and political activists also began to sound cautiously hopeful. Ukrainians are frustrated by the current administration’s “self-deterrence and its consistent deference to red lines set by Russia,” anti-corruption reformer Olena Tregub told a blogger. “And many think that Trump’s personality may lead to a more resolute approach.” “What do the results mean for us?” member of parliament Oleksiy Goncharenko asked on Telegram, “There are great risks, but also great hopes. We have to find our way through.”
Kyiv International Institute of Sociology pollster Anton Grushetskyi does not work for the government and does not speak for it. But he has more than a decade of experience monitoring Ukrainian public opinion, focusing heavily in the last three years on attitudes toward the war and how to end it. A full “94% of Ukrainians hate Russia, and 80 percent hate ordinary Russians,” he explained last week, citing a survey conducted in May. Nearly two-thirds—63%—are willing to endure the war “as long as is needed.” And most Ukrainians—56%—remain opposed to ceding any Ukrainian territory to Russia. But that number is slowly dwindling.
According to a new poll released this week, 32%—up from 8 to 10% through 2022—are now willing to consider trading some land for peace.
“There’s no enthusiasm for territorial concessions,” Grushetskyi cautioned. And no one will agree to permanent Russian control of Crimea or the eastern Donbas region. But he believes many Ukrainians, who feared that a Harris administration would be as hesitant and retrained as Biden, are open to what he called “a more decisive approach.”

Some Hope Trump Will Provide Weapons And Jets To Keep The Peace​

“Ukrainians are increasingly ready to compromise,” Grushetskyi argues. “They are willing to accept even painful concessions—as long as the deal comes security guarantees.”
Just what those guarantees should look like is likely to be the subject of fierce negotiations. Kyiv Institute surveys have traditionally asked about NATO membership and found few respondents willing to make concessions unless Ukraine was admitted to the alliance. But Grushetskyi maintains that these attitudes too are softening.
“It could be something else,” he explained, “not NATO, but something similar that provided for the defense of Ukraine. If Ukrainians feel they are safe, that the front line is frozen, that there will be ample financing to rebuild and prospects for membership in the European Union, that could be enough for the moment to postpone the liberation of some occupied territories.”
Indeed, in Grushetskyi’s view, Ukrainians might be more enthusiastic about concrete guarantees—ample supplies of Western weaponry and European troops stationed in Ukraine to help keep the peace—than an uncertain promise of NATO membership. “We’d rather have the weapons,” he says, “F-16 fighter jets, Patriot air defenses, ATACMS ballistic missiles and tanks. And it has to be a meaningful supply, not the meager flow that Biden provided.”
Not everyone in Ukraine is talking—or talking openly—about concessions. Active-duty soldiers, often among those most opposed to trading land for peace, are not included in national polling. No surveys suggest that a majority of the public is in favor of a deal—even without counting soldiers, it’s still a minority opinion. And Zelensky’s victory plan focuses exclusively on NATO, with no discussion of alternative security guarantees.
The unspoken question on everyone’s mind: what kind of leverage does Trump have over Putin, and will he use it to advance a deal that takes account of Ukrainian interests? Nothing the dictator has said since the election suggests a change of course—he is still determined to dismember and subjugate Ukraine. The fighting rages on. Peace talks could go horribly wrong. But many Ukrainians, tired of war and frustrated with the Biden approach, are ready to rethink their options.
 
This coming from number 1 NATO salesman of the decade is rich:yeah:

Russia says new US base in Poland raises overall nuclear danger​

MOSCOW/WARSAW, Nov 21 (Reuters) - Russia said on Thursday that a new U.S. ballistic missile defence base in northern Poland will lead to an increase in the overall level of nuclear danger, but Warsaw said "threats" from Moscow only strengthened the argument for NATO defences.
The air defence base, situated in the town of Redzikowo near the Baltic coast, part of a broader NATO missile shield, was opened on Nov. 13.
"This is another frankly provocative step in a series of deeply destabilising actions by the Americans and their allies in the North Atlantic Alliance in the strategic sphere," Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said.

"This leads to undermining strategic stability, increasing strategic risks and, as a result, to an increase in the overall level of nuclear danger."
Pawel Wronski, Poland's foreign ministry spokesperson, said there were no nuclear missiles at the base, which was purely for defence.
"It is a base that serves the purpose of defence, not attack," Wronski said. "Such threats will certainly serve as an argument to strengthen Poland's and NATO's air defences, and should also be considered by the United States."

The U.S. base at Redzikowo is part of a broader NATO missile shield, dubbed "Aegis Ashore", which the alliance says can intercept short- to intermediate-range ballistic missiles.
"Given the nature and level of threats posed by such Western military facilities, the missile defense base in Poland has long been added to the list of priority targets for potential destruction, which, if necessary, can be executed with a wide range of advanced weapons," Zakharova said.

The NATO missile shield includes sites in Poland, Romania as well as U.S Navy destroyers at a naval base in Spain and an early warning radar in Turkey, according to NATO.
 
Targeting civilians with a powerful, multiple-warhead ballistic missile represents “a clear and severe escalation in the scale and brutality of this war,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated.
Most biggest and advanset military plant in Ukraine
Are you saying civilians do not, in fact, work at the site which reports to the SSAU?
 
Are you saying civilians do not, in fact, work at the site which reports to the SSAU?
 
Targeting civilians with a powerful, multiple-warhead ballistic missile represents “a clear and severe escalation in the scale and brutality of this war,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated.
Most biggest and advanset military plant in Ukraine
You are the whole circus!🤡
You cry fault because this time you may have hit a legitimate military target when Zelensky complains about escalation by using ICBMs!
Wanna talk about double tap attacks on civilian infrastructures like a freaking CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL?
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No?
...didn't think so
 
russians fire a medium range missile , call it an ICBM for propaganda , in a bid to keep up as they failed to stop the outgoing Democrats escalating the conflict or whatever (in an actually weak response) , actually hit their target , which is no doubt producing military stuff as fast as it can , a certain head of state calls it civilian , a Russian poster reminds CFC takes Russian refineries as fully military targets and like this becomes a talking point . That head of state complains some civilian thing was attacked and that's escalation and NATO should intervene or something . Russian victory has been stated since about February 2022 .
 
You are the whole circus!🤡
You cry fault because this time you may have hit a legitimate military target when Zelensky complains about escalation by using ICBMs!
Wanna talk about double tap attacks on civilian infrastructures like a freaking CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL?
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No?
...didn't think so
This strike was a response to the authorisation to hit Russia with long-range western missiles, which (that there would be a response to such an authorisation) - was repeatedly warned about.
Although such strikes (with the use of these Western missiles) have already been carried out many times, but the sides did not publicise this moment (maybe coz Ukraine used 2-4 missile per strike, witch could done big damage (last one was 8 and 6 missile)
Strike was at nigh, so i hope not many dies. Although in Russia most military plants work at night non-stop this days. Probably it was so in Dnepro
 
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Yeah, see, I'm not saamohod. You didn't answer my question. Are you going to?
 
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