[RD] War in Ukraine: Other topics

[banzay13]

Yeah, see, I'm not saamohod. You didn't answer my question. Are you going to?

You know, the U.S. administration even introduced a special term for it - collateral damage.
In such high intensity war you can't avoid it. Ukraine use their cites as fortress (and you all agree - that it their right), so they getting destroyed. In last couple of months we saw how Ukraine forces leave city, coz can be circled and *miracle* - city is spared.
You know, it's not the same as fight in clear desert or unmanned mountains

 

[r16]

let us try this again . Without who is right or wrong . Are Russian refineries legally military targets ? Do Russian civilians work there ?

(like because bombing German refineries and their like was basically the only thing done right by the Western Strategic Bombing Campaign back in WW ll)

if we were to ignore the question of who attacked first , as we all know everybody in CFC will stick to what he/she already thinks , do Russians have a right to attack facilities that produce war material ? Should we be happy that they did this instead of bringing down some flats in Kiev ? ls this an improvement over their usual stuff ? Should they stick to human wave assaults so that they can be more easily mowed down by drones ; the production of which in millions being a stated goal of the invaded and whatnot country . Or , in view of the recent events in the US , virtue signalling process should be given another choice to achieve something ?

 

[Gorbles]

You know, the U.S. administration even introduced a special term for it - collateral damage.
In such high intensity war you can't avoid it. Ukraine use their cites as fortress (and you all agree - that it their right), so they getting destroyed. In last couple of months we saw how Ukraine forces leave city, coz can be circled and *miracle* - city is spared.
You know, it's not the same as fight in clear desert or unmanned mountains

You're still not answering a very simple question with a clear answer. I don't care about the US in this tangent.

I'm asking you if you think no civilians are being targeted here.

 

[r16]

the Russian guy is not in .

 

[red_elk]

let us try this again . Without who is right or wrong . Are Russian refineries legally military targets ? Do Russian civilians work there ?

There are 8 threads, more than enough to know the answer in advance.
To them, Ukraine can't be wrong and whatever Ukraine targeted in Russia, is a legal military target.
If it's not legal, then it's "Russian false flag".

 

[banzay13]

You're still not answering a very simple question with a clear answer. I don't care about the US in this tangent.

I'm asking you if you think no civilians are being targeted here.

We can't exclude US, coz it main actor in this world.
The last question answer you can found in latest red_elk post

 

[Gedemon]

Are Russian refineries legally military targets ?

yes they are.

Do Russian civilians work there ?

yes they do.

how many killed ?

 

[Farm Boy]

There are 8 threads, more than enough to know the answer in advance.
To them, Ukraine can't be wrong and whatever Ukraine targeted in Russia, is a legal military target.
If it's not legal, then it's "Russian false flag".

It's really just occam's razor. Who marched where. Who ran away. Who are refugees. Whose cities look like what. Who is firing mirvs in combat for the first time.

Everything is complicated except for when it is not.

 

[r16]

iranians landed tons of seperate warheads on Israel in the latest one . Moderator Action: This thread is not about Iran. Birdjaguar

edit: it involves a comment on whether multiple warheads actually constitute an escalation .

for the post that precedes if Russian refineries are military targets , so must be Ukranian factories . Hence the attempt or something about Russians attacking actually sound targets are like ı don't know . On the latest of the 8 threads Kiev announces the factory was damaged in addition to a caring center for disabled veterans where the two wounded probably happened . So , like , what should this be called , a nothingburger ? This was not an attempt to suggest no Russians died so it is cool ?

you will not stop the Russians with internet posts , you know . Nor with opening the gap so that Trump will offer less . In case anyone is about to get started on how supporters of Trump are all idiots ... ı would say some effort should be spared on the inevitable return of the notion that Putin had to sell gas cheaper in March 2024 , so that Macron would not send in the army . The going might really be tougher in blocking that .

 

[Farm Boy]

you will not stop the Russians with internet posts

Well, right. I'm just talking with video game nerds.

It never really crossed my mind this was going to be capable of changing the world so that powerful men who consider consent an offense to be something else.

 

[r16]

that line was meant for others . They will not stop the Russians with internet posts when everybody knows if is outright robbery . My comment related to yours was limited to the Iranian warheads .

 

[Gorbles]

We can't exclude US, coz it main actor in this world.
The last question answer you can found in latest red_elk post

So no answer from you, banzay13. Gotcha.

you will not stop the Russians with internet posts , you know .

Nobody will stop anybody with anything that happens in this forum, imo. The promise of a reward isn't the point. Some things are done because they're believed (rightfully or wrongfully) to be just, or otherwise right.

And then there's the other kind of posts.

 

[r16]

yes , the posts by trolls . All the Russian trolls were driven away , if ı remember that correctly ... Mostly by virtue signallers , as the Right Wing posts fell under the radar or something . Do we have an opinion on whether the outgoing Administration increased the stakes so that the incoming Administration can offer a comparatively lesser proposal to squeeze more Russian oil ? Or does that require a virtue signalling newspaper as a source ? Considering Russians and their useful idiots never tell the truth , right ?

 

[Farm Boy]

Squeeze more oil out of? By Americans? This isn't the 90s, we export.

 

[r16]

say by Indians so that they keep grumbling about the Chinese threat louder and don't sneakily trade or something . Or the gas we burned last year or the one before that , much cheaper "in celebration of the natural gas that was discovered by New Turkey in the Black Sea" which is strangely quite expensive this year . We might have killed more seperatists as Russians were busy and might have tarnished Russian reputations even more . Hey , being a friend of America is cool , mmkay ?

war in Ukraine AND other topics . Though we might still lack the numbers whether Germany is truly ruined . Its Democracy is safe and sound though . After the crushing of the Russian supported coup attempt to bring back the Kaiser , a new Kaiser . Really a good cook , as far as the newspapers reports is corrrectly remembered by me .

 

[Gedemon]

iranians landed tons of seperate warheads on Israel in the latest one . Moderator Action: This thread is not about Iran. Birdjaguar

edit: it involves a comment on whether multiple warheads actually constitute an escalation .

for the post that precedes if Russian refineries are military targets , so must be Ukranian factories .

the issue isn't the target here, it's the missile used that will spread its warheads kilometers around the target, it's a missile to target a city, not one to target a factory, it's today equivalent of WWII strategic bombing, when the allied could raze a city (example "Le Havre") to target a railway junction.

Russia has a lot of different kind of missiles, and some of them are able to target something with metric precision.

Yet they used for example anti-aircraft carrier missiles on ground targets in or near city.

and used metric-precison missile for double-tap on hospitals.

but hey, Ukrainians use small propeller planes converted into drones to target the core of refineries, and sure, you're going to tell me that's not yet another example of false equivalence.

When Russians tell you it's fine to use a multiple warhead missile with the spread seen in the video, they tell you WWII bombing on city were fine, and post-war assessments is wrong.

That explain their PoV for actions against Ukraine, but now imagine an ICBM loaded with multiple conventional warheads launched on a factory close to Moscow.

Is that fine ? Should we provide ? we have some in storage I'm sure.

 

[Snowygerry]

It should be possible to have a limited war without threatening nuclear warfare every five minutes, it is very unprofessional.

And it scares the children.

 

[r16]

uh , was tempted enough to check the blog that dispenses Pentagon's lies . No warheads , small warheads , decoys , not an ICBM but breaks treaties without mentioning the US turned a blind eye to New Turkey's efforts at an IRBM that enabled the Russians to cross that particular threshold with utter ease . Because the evolving Chinese air defence requires missile fires to breakthrough it , because as people will not easily admit Stealth was never what it was claimed to be . And Elon Musk to take over the rocket business hence established companies to be given military rocket contracts to clear the way . It is JUST a message ! Russians do NOT have any more ! Ukranians identified the launch site a day BEFORE ! Nothing to cover under the table for !

so , like , in consideration of the view that this is a gaming site so on and so forth ... is there any particular reason to win the propaganda game ?

oh , yes , it has definitely proven that it can beat its way past Western stuff , so , it can burn places or palaces in Paris or places . A meek response that clears Trump to be benevolent and end the war . You have no idea how much you will hate it if Russians were to fight professionally . Oh , did you hear ? The primitive Soviets could not make that rocket if the evil Swiss had not sold them lathes or whatever !

yes , please do your best and give everything . What's holding you ? Like do ı have any oil supplies that ı should barter for life or something ?

 

[banzay13]

the issue isn't the target here, it's the missile used that will spread its warheads kilometers around the target, it's a missile to target a city, not one to target a factory, it's today equivalent of WWII strategic bombing, when the allied could raze a city (example "Le Havre") to target a railway junction.

Russia has a lot of different kind of missiles, and some of them are able to target something with metric precision.

Yet they used for example anti-aircraft carrier missiles on ground targets in or near city.

and used metric-precison missile for double-tap on hospitals.

but hey, Ukrainians use small propeller planes converted into drones to target the core of refineries, and sure, you're going to tell me that's not yet another example of false equivalence.

When Russians tell you it's fine to use a multiple warhead missile with the spread seen in the video, they tell you WWII bombing on city were fine, and post-war assessments is wrong.

That explain their PoV for actions against Ukraine, but now imagine an ICBM loaded with multiple conventional warheads launched on a factory close to Moscow.

Is that fine ? Should we provide ? we have some in storage I'm sure.

Yuzhmash territory - 750 hectares
From an interview with the former head of Yuzhmash's branch in Russia - “Yuzhmash has a huge substation, and not only the giant enterprise, but also the city of Dnepropetrovsk is powered from it. We hit the substation, shut it down, and Yuzhmash is working. The plant itself was built, designed and operated on the basis of a direct nuclear strike. You can smash the shops from above, and the power and ventilation will work downstairs.”

According to the first unconfirmed data (at least I have seen only in one doubtful source) - 6 submunitions hit 2 hangars where ICBMs were manufactured in Soviet times.
There is no dispersion in kilometers. Each warhead has its own target and homing.

 

[red_elk]

and used metric-precison missile for double-tap on hospitals.

can you give examples of double tap attacks on hospitals?

The hospital in Kiev you are likely talking about, was damaged by missile which struck near the building, clearly missing intended target, not to mention "metric precision". The crowd which gathered afterwards, wasn't targeted.