[RD] War in Ukraine: Other topics
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News agencies are now reporting that sources name a Russian Pantsir-S missile as the culprit that downed the civilian aircraft.
https://news.sky.com/story/russian-...rlines-plane-in-deadly-crash-reuters-13279931
https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26...russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras
https://news.sky.com/story/russian-...rlines-plane-in-deadly-crash-reuters-13279931
https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26...russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras
Finns suspect Russian shadow fleet tanker sabotaged Baltic power cable
A Russian shadow fleet tanker is at the centre of an investigation into suspected sabotage of an undersea power cable in the Baltic Sea, Finnish authorities have said.The powerline between Estonia and Finland is offline following a power cut on Christmas Day and suspicion has fallen on the Eagle S, a tanker the Finnish Customs service said is part of Russia’s so-called shadow fleet. The term refers to ships used by Russia to get around international sanctions on its oil exports.
The Cook Island’s registered ship was on its way from Saint Petersburg to Port Said in Egypt but slowed down in the vicinity of the cables in the Gulf of Finland, according to the Marine traffic website.
Finnish police said the ship was boarded overnight on Wednesday and they were "investigating grave sabotage" as well as the background of the Eagle S and its crew.
The ship is in Finnish territorial waters and the country's border guard said an inspection revealed its anchors were missing. Ships are suspected of cutting cables by dragging their anchors over them.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/new...ow-fleet-tanker-sabotaged-baltic-power-cable/
Should be fairly uncomplicated to locate the missing anchor, if it was separated from its chain while sabotaging the underwater cable. It's like finding a DNA sample on a murder victim.
Russian ship that sank in the Mediterranean was attacked, owner says
The Russian operator of a cargo ship that sank in the Mediterranean Sea between Spain and Algeria said Thursday that it had been hit by a series of explosions in an act of sabotage.Oboronlogistica, a state-controlled company that operated the Ursa Major freighter, said it was wrecked by three powerful explosions just above the water line in what it described as a “terrorist attack” that caused it to sink.
Russian ship that sank in the Mediterranean was attacked, owner says
The Russian operator of a cargo ship that sank in the Mediterranean Sea between Spain and Algeria says it has been hit by a series of explosions in an act of sabotage
abcnews.go.com
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Shooting at it, that's bad enough, but that can be attributed to incompetence. Not allowing the damaged plane to land and diverting it over the sea....that's sheer malice. I guess they were hoping that the plane will be lost over the sea along with the evidence.
Exactly what we've learned to expect from Russians.
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forms a direct threat to the life of weaklings who would think Peace was a good thing . Who can live without the internet ? You know , Trump supposed to bring peace in one single day . Instead he has chosen his first day crusade against Gay Rights stuff ALREADY . Like wasn't it the Chinese ships doing that anyhow ?
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Was it really in better shape that the one that has just lost its anchor in the Baltic Sea or the two that have sunk in the Kerch strait recently, causing an anticipated ecological catastrophe ?
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Russian ship that sank in the Mediterranean was attacked, owner says
The Russian operator of a cargo ship that sank in the Mediterranean Sea between Spain and Algeria said Thursday that it had been hit by a series of explosions in an act of sabotage.
Oboronlogistica, a state-controlled company that operated the Ursa Major freighter, said it was wrecked by three powerful explosions just above the water line in what it described as a “terrorist attack” that caused it to sink.
Russian ship that sank in the Mediterranean was attacked, owner says
The Russian operator of a cargo ship that sank in the Mediterranean Sea between Spain and Algeria says it has been hit by a series of explosions in an act of sabotage
Was it really in better shape that the one that has just lost its anchor in the Baltic Sea or the two that have sunk in the Kerch strait recently, causing an anticipated ecological catastrophe ?
70% of Russian oil shipped by shadow fleet, posing environment risk, report says
Russia's "shadow fleet" of older and poorly insured tankers transports 70% of the country's seaborne exports, according to an analysis published by the Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) Insititute on Oct. 14.
kyivindependent.com
Russia-linked cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland ‘was loaded with spying equipment’
<em>Eagle S</em>, the Russia-linked tanker suspected of damaging an underwater electricity cable on Christmas Day, was kitted out with special transmitting and receiving devices that were used to monitor naval activity, according to a source with direct involvement in the ship, which has since...
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Telephone conversation with President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev
Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev at the Russian side’s initiative.
en.kremlin.ru
From fighterbomber's TG:
- The airport cannot prohibit emergency landing of an aircraft.
- The decision to land is made by the commander of the plane. He also chooses which reserve airfield to go to. There are no commanders higher than him on the planet.
- The plane began to lose control over the sea, this is confirmed by the video filmed by passengers, that is, up to a certain point it was controlled normally.
Looks like the commander chose the closest airfield which wasn't under a threat of attack, and the plane didn't lose control immediately after impact.
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That is according to international treaties regulating air traffic. But we've seen how much Russians care about international treaties in the past 10 years.
Landing a damaged, GPS jammed plane requires the coordination with the airport. When that was refused, the captain had no choice but to turn elsewhere, or risk plowing the plane into nearby buildings in a guesswork landing. The threat of drone attack in the area was minimal compared to risk of flying all the way back, no sane captain would have done that if the airport had allowed landing.
Typically Russian, first lying (remember all the talk about fog and birds?) and then trying to deflect blame.
Any reliable sources to back up the claim that the pilot requested emergency landing in Russia and was refused to?
As far as I understand, currently only Russian air traffic controlers and investigators of plane's black box can have access to this information.
Typical Western conspiracy BS
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Same Azerbaijani sources that first confirmed that it was Russian missile also said that it was denied the emergency landing.
Nope, experience.
And you have link to these sources, or as usual?
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It's in the articles above.
Based on various sources, which you can check, Wikipedia compiled the timeline, and it looks even more damning to Russia.
The aircraft arrived into Grozny airspace a little after 7 AM, which means early daylight hours, while encountering GPS jamming en route. I have to note that Ukrainian drones attack almost exclusively at night. It communicated with traffic control, and twice aborted the landing due to heavy fog. On the third approach, a Russian missile exploded nearby. Captain requested emergency landing, which was denied, then to be diverted to Makhachkala due to failing hydraulics, which was also denied. The plane was then diverted to Aktau, where it crashed on landing attempt.
They didn't shoot an "unknown object approaching Grozny". The plane was on their radar for several minutes, in active communication with air traffic control and transponder on and on landing approach, and after the damage it was denied emergency landing on two Russian airports and forced to divert all the way to Aktau.
This was a mass murder.
Wikipedia directly contradicts you claim, as it says the plane was diverted to Makhachkala (which is Russian airport) and was unable to land there due to poor weather.
The pilots issued distress signal at 09:35, more than hour after the incident, and requested emergency landing at 09:49, already on their way to Aktau.
Quote from your source, bolding mine.
The pilots issued distress signal at 09:35, more than hour after the incident, and requested emergency landing at 09:49, already on their way to Aktau.
Quote from your source, bolding mine.
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