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Quite, but the fact that the Ukrainian motives may be different from USA motives does not alter my summation of US motives from that text.
From the point of view of US interests (which are mine as an American) the casualties Ukraine is taking are not the point, but the casualties Russia is taking.
That was honest.I already said myself the us motive is to simply weaken Russia as much as possible, short of nuclear war.
No he cannot. He's not a dictator. He's constitutionally prevented from ceding Ukranian territory here.No, because the Zelesnky can make peace with Russia whenever he wants.
Yes as I’m known to be to the point. But it’s not like what I said was wrong. Soviet Union armed the Vietcong against America for the same reason. And Americans armed afghans while Soviet Union was there. I have a good understanding of the way geo politics works, and call it out for what it is.That was honest.
One big difference. Vietcong and Taliban does not lack manpower and their social circumstances allows the leadership to force anyone to the front.The Viekong didn't get decisive military victories against America for the most part, but they didn't need to for America to give up and go home. Ditto for the Taliban.
You realize that Russia is the one who attacked Ukraine that the Ukrainians are defending themselves ? They aren't "cannon fodder" for anyone, THEY ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST AN INVASION.This could be summarised as the USA fighting Russia to the last dead Ukrainian soldier.
It remains to be seen how long the Ukrainians will go along with being such cannon fodder.
Russia fell into America's/Nato's/Eu's (pick the one you like the least) trap of placing natural resources in the areas they wanted Russia to attack.I just can't wrap my head around how some people manage to "forget" the entire facts on the ground just because they want so hard to believe some weird bizarro-reverse world where the invaded are somehow "forced into" defending themselves by anyone but the invaders.
The shooting types of evil are lowest common denominator evils. They drag everything through all filth.But it’s not like what I said was wrong.
You realize that Russia is the one who attacked Ukraine that the Ukrainians are defending themselves ? They aren't "cannon fodder" for anyone, THEY ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST AN INVASION.
Do you even realize how your sentences makes no sense save being copy-pasted straight from mindless Russian propaganda ?
I just can't wrap my head around how some people manage to "forget" the entire facts on the ground just because they want so hard to believe some weird bizarro-reverse world where the invaded are somehow "forced into" defending themselves by anyone but the invaders.
No, this point is pretty obvious (if cynical and reductionist).But none of this alters the point about the USA wishing to see Russia weakened at the expense of Ukrainian, rather than US, lives.
The nationality is not the point either, you can replace Ukrainians by anyone not US."The US motive is to weaken Russia" and "The casualties Ukraine is taking are not the point", are pretty much the equivalent of saying that US is willing to fight Russia till the last Ukrainian.
No, the expression only means US don't care about Ukrainian lives, just about achieving their goal.The nationality is not the point either, you can replace Ukrainians by anyone not US.
But the expression is designed and used by Russian propagandist to make anyone supporting Ukraine looking like someone willing to kill all Ukrainians, when they in fact have no power on that, unlike Russians.
Which USians are you talking about? Which version of the US government?No, the expression only means US don't care about Ukrainian lives, just about achieving their goal.
And this is truth which you and several other posters actively dislike, bringing up ad-hominems.
Same which caketastydelish was talking about. Any US administration for the last 80 years.Which USians are you talking about? Which version of the US government?
it's the disgusting act of inverting the roles that I hate.No, the expression only means US don't care about Ukrainian lives, just about achieving their goal.
And this is truth which you and several other posters actively dislike, bringing up ad-hominems.