[RD] War in Ukraine: Other topics

I was referring to that, some Russians think about it.

Japan attacked Ameria first at Pearl Harbor. Was the response disproportionate? Sure. But still, technically America could say "the enemy drew first blood." The Russians have no such excuse with Ukraine.
 
it's not like it prevents them to bring up Kosovo or Afghanistan to justify they had to attack Ukraine to defend themselves from warmongering NATO. False equivalences are parts of the propaganda.

remember they also think Germany was forced to attack Poland in WWII (school books mentioned by Putin in it's interview), not a stretch to think Japan was forced to attack the US.

also in their narrative Ukraine attacked first
 
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In this interview he said, quote: "The Poles played games and forced Hitler to start WW2 with them. Why did WW2 start on 1 September 39 with Poland? It (Poland) proved to be uncooperative. And Hitler had nothing to do, when realising his plans, to start with Poland"

And he didn't used word "forced", more correct be "induced"
And what about Japan? Any proof for that?
 
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"it's not a stretch", but glad to see you at least thinks it's not comparable.
 
I've sourced those

edit: I mean, ask for source, comment the source, provide clarification of translation, as banzai13 just did.
 
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it's not like it prevents them to bring up Kosovo or Afghanistan to justify they had to attack Ukraine to defend themselves from warmongering NATO. False equivalences are parts of the propaganda.
Afghanistan/the Taliban gave safe haven to Al queda who attacked Americans on American soil. Invading Afghanistan was not unprovoked unlike Iraq. If Russians want the whatsboutism excuse to invade Ukraine then Iraq would be the example. Edit: also America did not use nukes in either of the conflicts you mentioned, nor Vietnam or Iraq. The only time nukes were used was when we were attacked first.
also in their narrative Ukraine attacked first
Then they’re wrong.
 
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‘Everybody is tired. The mood has changed’: the Ukrainian army’s desertion crisis
When Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine three years ago, Viktor* was ready to die for his country. He volunteered to defend Kyiv as enemy tanks appeared and joined Ukraine’s armed forces. In the spring of 2023 he was fighting in the village of Tonenke, near the eastern city of Avdiivka. “When I arrived I was super-motivated. If necessary I would give my life,” he recalled.

Gradually, however, he became disillusioned. The battle was furious. “The Russians would smash our positions to the ground,” he said. Senior Ukrainian commanders gave unrealistic orders. Then, while he was defending a ruined building, a panel fell on his shoulder. After receiving injections to reduce the pain, he was told to return to the front. “I realised I’m nobody. Just a number,” he said.
In May that same year, Viktor left his position to seek further medical treatment. He did not come back. His commander marked him down as awol. Viktor is one of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who have abandoned their units. The exact figure is a military secret, but officials concede the number is large. They say it is understandable, when tired troops have served for months without a proper break.

The issue of desertion has made headlines in Ukraine. Last week the government launched an investigation into the 155th Mechanised Brigade. Fifty-six soldiers disappeared while training in France. Hundreds of others are said to be missing. The unit’s commander, Dmytro Riumshyn, was arrested. He faces 10 years in jail for failing to carry out his official duties and to report unauthorised absences.

After three years of war, Ukraine is desperately short of soldiers, especially infantry. This has made it easier for Russia’s army to advance in the east. There are structural issues too. New brigades have been built from scratch. They performed poorly. Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, recently ordered a change in policy, with inexperienced recruits integrated into existing battalions.
Some who desert keep a low profile. Others live and work openly. Viktor said he went back to his brigade in August 2023 but was told he was not wanted. Once a trained sniper, he now runs a garage in western Ukraine, where he repairs military vehicles for free. Had he killed Russians? “Many,” he replied. “Everybody is tired. The mood has changed. People used to hug soldiers in the streets. Now they worry about being conscripted.”

Viktor added there was a severe lack of frontline manpower. In February 2023 he was given a 10-day break – only to be recalled a day after he got home, as Avdiivka came under attack. Two people from his company had been killed, he said. The others were wounded. “One guy lost an arm. Another a leg. Some had bullet wounds. Nobody is completely OK. Even so, we managed to achieve some tasks,” he said.

Another deserter, Oleksii*, said he took part in Ukrainian offensives in the southern Mykolaiv and Kherson regions. He described one battle as chaotic, with bullets flying, mortars landing in a forest clearing, and insufficient artillery support. During the winter of 2022 he had a row with a new commander, applied unsuccessfully for a transfer, and got hurt. “I reached boiling point. So I decided to go where nobody can find me,” he said.
Ever since, Oleksii has been in hiding. “We will see what happens. Maybe I get caught and sent to the frontline,” he said. He added he would take up arms again if the Russians came into his town, or if the Ukrainian army became a genuinely reformed Nato style force, with better generals. Asked if he was happy, he answered: “I’m alive. The longer the war goes on the more people like me there will be.”

Olha Reshetylova, Ukraine’s commissioner for protecting service members’ rights, said she understood why some people went awol. “Let’s be honest. The problem is big. It’s natural in a situation where you’ve had three years of major war. People are exhausted. They want to see their families. Their children are growing up without them. Relationships get broken. Wives and husbands can’t wait for ever. They feel alone.”

She said many service members ended up with fragile mental health. A small conflict with a senior officer could “trigger” them to flee their unit, she said. There were injuries too. “It’s a complex and complicated problem. We can’t solve this with criminal punishment. If it comes to a choice between being killed and going to prison, of course at that moment you will go with the second option.”

Reshetylova is a well-known human rights activist. She took up her newly created post in January at the request of Zelenskyy. Her role is to balance the needs of the state with fairness to individuals. “We have this post-Soviet heritage where a soldier is slave to his commander. But Ukraine’s army is transforming. We are trying to change it, to make it more modern and human-orientated,” she said, in an interview in Kyiv.

Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, has been debating how to bring in more recruits. Deserters face between 12 and 15 years in jail. Last summer, deputies abolished criminal penalties for those who voluntarily return to their old battalions, with full benefits restored. A bill has also been passed that allows service members to transfer to different units – getting round lingering conflicts between lower and higher ranks.

Reshetylova said transfers were unpopular with commanders, who blocked them because they were short of troops. The government is working on a solution, she said, allowing applications to be made via the ministry of defence’s Army+ app. Meanwhile, changes are being drafted to attract 18- to 25-year-olds, who are currently exempt from mobilisation. They include training guarantees and measures to ensure dialogue between soldiers and commanders.
Andrii Hrebeniuk, the sergeant major of an infantry battalion, fighting in the Donetsk oblast town of Velyka Novosilka, said soldiers went awol “pretty frequently”. “Some return. Some don’t,” he said. “It’s about morale more than injury. They need a psychological reset. They go and see their families and reappear after a couple of months.” Did he understand them? “I don’t sympathise and I don’t condemn,” he replied.

Hrebeniuk’s mechanised brigade, the 110th, last week took the unusual step of saying it was critically short of personnel. It had enough drones and artillery, but no infantry, at a time of constant Russian attacks. “We need to break the stereotype that if you join up you will be dead in five minutes,” Hrebeniuk said. He added: “Simple things keep you alive, like digging in, cleaning your weapons, and paying attention during first aid training.”

Reshetylova said there were hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers staying in their positions and “not going anywhere”. The recruitment crisis could be solved, she added, if Ukraine’s allies sent their own troops. If they did not, and Kyiv fell, Vladimir Putin would keep going. She said: “As I see it, it is Europe’s armies that are absent without leave. They don’t understand – or don’t want to understand – that this is their war too.”
 
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In this interview he said, quote: "The Poles played games and forced Hitler to start WW2 with them. Why did WW2 start on 1 September 39 with Poland? It (Poland) proved to be uncooperative. And Hitler had nothing to do, when realising his plans, to start with Poland"


And he didn't used word "forced", more correct be "induced"
And what about Japan? Any proof for that?
Himself brings a quote saying "Poles /.../ forced Hitler".
Denies word "forced" was used.
 

Ukraine did not build Kharkov, Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Lugansk and Sevastopol. Russia built.
Ukraine did not pay for Kyiv. Russia did it.
Ukraine did not give thousands of lives, building the Dnieper, Azovstal and DMZ. Russia did it.
It is quite true that Russia raises questions about the territory of modern Ukraine.
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Every time you guys see an ugly manifestation of American imperialism, you can't help but whine and ask "why aren't we allowed to do same horrible thing?". Obviously Russia is allowed to do it, it is currently doing it. And in doing so, killing more Russian speakers than during any war since WW2.

Banzay, you are in complete denial of reality. In your last post you were denying that Putin said something that you were quoting him saying in the very same post.

You love arguing against hypotheticals (like the US potential invasion of Panama), while ignoring reality (the incredible death toll, destruction, and sorrow that you support in Ukraine).

It's always the same. Like with the Minsk agreements. You guys tell us that Ukraine violated it and used it as a pretext to rearm for future aggression. While in reality, the only country that violated the Minsk agreements to then attack its neighbor was Russia.

It's the same with the treatment of Russian speakers in the Donbass. You guys tell us that there was some imminent genocide or horrible mistreatment by the Ukrainian government. While in reality, it is Russia that has decimated the Donbass through its increasingly violent interventions. It has killed and maimed possibly hundreds of thousands of citizens of the Donbass. It has forced millions to flee. It has reduced entire cities to rubble. The bombings of Donetsk are often shown as a sign of Ukrainian aggression. But Donetsk is almost fully intact. Meanwhile, cities on the Ukrainian side of the front line are transformed into ruins by Russian bombings. Russians can then proudly plant their flags on the wasteland they have created.

In this forum, there are Americans and Westerners rightfully criticizing US imperialism. But you just regurgitate Kremlin's propaganda. Then you wonder about Russophobia. It is rarely true Russophobia. There is little hate against intelligent Russians. If you refuse to be one, that's on you.
 
Every time you guys see an ugly manifestation of American imperialism, you can't help but whine and ask "why aren't we allowed to do same horrible thing?". Obviously Russia is allowed to do it, it is currently doing it. And in doing so, killing more Russian speakers than during any war since WW2.

Banzay, you are in complete denial of reality. In your last post you were denying that Putin said something that you were quoting him saying in the very same post.

You love arguing against hypotheticals (like the US potential invasion of Panama), while ignoring reality (the incredible death toll, destruction, and sorrow that you support in Ukraine).

It's always the same. Like with the Minsk agreements. You guys tell us that Ukraine violated it and used it as a pretext to rearm for future aggression. While in reality, the only country that violated the Minsk agreements to then attack its neighbor was Russia.

It's the same with the treatment of Russian speakers in the Donbass. You guys tell us that there was some imminent genocide or horrible mistreatment by the Ukrainian government. While in reality, it is Russia that has decimated the Donbass through its increasingly violent interventions. It has killed and maimed possibly hundreds of thousands of citizens of the Donbass. It has forced millions to flee. It has reduced entire cities to rubble. The bombings of Donetsk are often shown as a sign of Ukrainian aggression. But Donetsk is almost fully intact. Meanwhile, cities on the Ukrainian side of the front line are transformed into ruins by Russian bombings. Russians can then proudly plant their flags on the wasteland they have created.

In this forum, there are Americans and Westerners rightfully criticizing US imperialism. But you just regurgitate Kremlin's propaganda. Then you wonder about Russophobia. It is rarely true Russophobia. There is little hate against intelligent Russians. If you refuse to be one, that's on you.
Well, I'm sorry for my gaslightning post, it was more a joke, some provocation,maybe.
And you absolutely right, about killing russian speaking ppl in this war. Many ppl in Russian think the same. It's a shame (soft telling).

About demolished cites - any war tactics if enemy fortified in city? How do plan win battle, if all enemy soldiers in fortified in city?

About Putin's claim.
1. Did Hitler plan war? To control most of Europe? Yes
2. Could it start with France first? Or Belgium? He could. And the ww2 could start with war with other country, not Poland.
That's was about Putin claim. Poland participated in the section of Czechoslovakia, together with Germany. But refused to make concessions regarding Danzing. Which led to the fact that Hitler chose her first victim of his war. He used word inducted (forced) to describe this situation
 
About demolished cites - any war tactics if enemy fortified in city? How do plan win battle, if all enemy soldiers in fortified in city?
"hey, don't blame me for knifing this guy, he didn't want to let me rape his wife, what was I supposed to do ?"
 
Dude your Soviet Union was in it with Hitler long before Poland. If Hitler didn't attempt Barbarossa there's is now evidence that Russia might've broken the pact as well, but until then let's go hand in hand on a massacre conquest over Europe, you get half I get half. Yay!
Both Hitler and Stalin were little else than bloody warlords and Putin misses those days.
 
Dude your Soviet Union was in it with Hitler long before Poland. If Hitler didn't attempt Barbarossa there's is now evidence that Russia might've broken the pact as well, but until then let's go hand in hand on a massacre conquest over Europe, you get half I get half. Yay!
Both Hitler and Stalin were little else than bloody warlords and Putin misses those days.
Dude, things could go different, if west had will for it. But they thought that German will go for communist first, before west
 
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