[RD] War in Ukraine: Other topics

At the expense of their neighbors. That is different from a landgrab how?

Want to argue about history? Then what about this: the only reason Estonia existed at all in 1939 was as a buffer created by imperial germany, before it collapsed.
See how it goes? It's buffers all the way... statesmen would be breaking out of that danger by keeping friendly towards all neighours. But I'm not surprised you can't recognize statesmanship, never saw it happening there.

Meanwhile, I hope your life will be exactly as nice and long as you deserve.

I know what you mean there, typical... Too bad your ukranian pals had the funding for their assassination list cut by Trump with the shutdown of the USAID CIA front huh?
 
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I understand that all the articles are prone to propaganda, but western media is still very subject to scrutiny....can you say the same about pro-russian media and other sources?
Do you think all 3 articles are just propaganda? I can understand the first one as it's more of an opinion piece, although with some sources in, but what about the others? I see no propaganda in each of the other 2 articles, do you?
the second one also. some king of myths and tales)) there not much real info about NK troops came from Kursk region. The notes, diaries shown by the Ukrainians - I'm pretty sure they're fake. Even with the two alleged prisoners, it's hard to tell. We can say for sure that they are real Koreans. Linguists have no doubts about that.
And the total numbers, tactics, casualties are mostly made up. Apart from what is described about individual qualities. Physically and mentally they are very prepared, yes.

the third is ok.
 
Want to argue about history? Then what about this: the only reason Estonia existed at all in 1939 was as a buffer created by imperial germany, before it collapsed.
Your knowledge of history is rivaled only by your knowledge of the present.
I know what you mean there, typical... Too bad your ukranian pals had the funding for their assassination list cut by Trump with the shutdown of the USAID CIA front huh?
Fortunately, karma works for free.
 
It does? Who, between you and me regarding this topic (and pretty much all others about ongoing wars) called for immediate negotiations and peace from the start, and who called for war and further war in pursuin of some "victory"?

Perhaps you should not wish to have karma working?
 
It does? Who, between you and me regarding this topic (and pretty much all others about ongoing wars) called for immediate negotiations and peace from the start, and who called for war and further war in pursuin of some "victory"?
Oh, I have no doubt that when you look at a mirror, you see a wise statesman and humanitarian.

I am sorry for getting riled up with yourself merely for inhabiting a reality that seems to share very few common features with the one observable to myself.

I'll make an effort not to engage with that universe going forward. I hope you can reciprocate.
 
Hope the 19500 abducted kids can join these children soon.

Ukraine says it has brought back 12 children taken by Russia​

KYIV, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Ukraine has brought home 12 children who were forcefully taken by Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's chief of staff said.
"As part of the initiative of the President of Ukraine Bring Kids Back UA, it was possible to return home 12 children who were under the pressure of the Russian occupation," Andriy Yermak wrote on his Telegram messaging app late on Monday.
The Bring Kids Back UA programme under Zelenskiy says it is an initiative to return home all children forcefully deported from Ukraine.

Among those returned was a 16-year-old who lost her mother, a 17-year-old called up by the Russian army and an eight-year-old girl, Yermak said.
The press office of Russia's Commissioner for Children's Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, said it had no information about the 12 children.
It told Reuters by email that the commissioner's office took part in family reunifications with Ukraine with the involvement of international mediators when "additional efforts are required to facilitate movement and resolve legal issues."

"Other cases may occur within the framework of the current legislative field and logistical capabilities without the involvement of government agencies," it said.
Moscow and Kyiv have carried out several exchanges of children for reunification with their families since Russia's full-scale invasion in February 2022.
Ukraine says over 19,500 children have been taken to Russia or Russian-occupied territory without the consent of family or guardians during the war, calling the abductions a war crime that meets the U.N. treaty definition of genocide.

Russia has said it has been evacuating people voluntarily and to protect vulnerable children from the war zone.
Kyiv has brought back 388 children so far, according to data published by Ukraine's Ministry of Reintegration.
In March 2023, the International Criminal Court issued warrants for the arrest of Lvova-Belova and President Vladimir Putin related to the abduction of Ukrainian children. Russia denounced the warrants as "outrageous and unacceptable".
 
Baltics, Eastern Poland and Bessarabia were for Soviet Union then like Taiwan is now for PRC.
Its quite clear how it was buffer against Germany from history afterwards. USSR incorporated it into own state regardless Germany.
Even Gorbatchev sent tanks on Baltic people. And Transnistria and Belarus are still controlled by Russia.

Finland, yes. Poland and other territories in central Europe, no. Germany had invaded Russia in World War I already, remember.
 
Zelenski now asking west for nuclear weapon (in last interview). Considering what many weapons was delivered afters his proposal, we could see (at least for 30 minute) a lot of mushrooms
 
Zelenski now asking west for nuclear weapon (in last interview). Considering what many weapons was delivered afters his proposal, we could see (at least for 30 minute) a lot of mushrooms
A favourite Russian fantasy – never goes out of style.
 
Zelenski now asking west for nuclear weapon (in last interview). Considering what many weapons was delivered afters his proposal, we could see (at least for 30 minute) a lot of mushrooms

Ultimately thats on Russia.
 
He could ask them back...the ones Russia took from Ukraine as agreed on a now forgotten toilet piece of paper used by Putin!
 

After Losing 15,000 Vehicles, Some Russian Troops In Ukraine Are Riding Horses​

It was perhaps inevitable, as Russian vehicle losses in Ukraine exceeded 15,000, production of new vehicles lagged and stocks of old Cold War vehicles ran low late last year, that Russian troops in Ukraine would eventually climb onto horses.

It’s finally happened. A video that circulated on social media this week depicts two Russian soldiers riding horses across the muddy Ukrainian landscape. “Look, the lads in Ukraine saddled up a horse,” one soldier quipped.

Compelled to cross the mine-infested, artillery-pocked, drone-patrolled no-man’s-land in order to sustain their yearlong offensives in eastern Ukraine—as well as their somewhat newer counteroffensive targeting the Ukrainian-held salient in western Russia’s Kursk Oblast—Russian mechanized regiments have been losing armored vehicles at an annualized rate of 6,000 a year.

That’s far too many for Russian factories to replace. Russia builds maybe 200 new BMP-3 fighting vehicles and 90 new T-90M tanks annually as well as a few hundred other new armored vehicles, including BTR-82 wheeled fighting vehicles.

Russian war correspondent Roma Sapozhnikov blamed industrial managers. “The feeling is that those who are responsible for rearming the army with [armored fighting vehicles] and tanks … froze and abstracted themselves from the problems of the front and the armed forces of the warring country,” he wrote.

For the first two years of the three-year wider war, the Kremlin comfortably made up the four-figure gap between losses and production by pulling old Cold War vehicles out of long-term storage.

The Cold War storage yards once held vast stocks of old tanks and other armored vehicles. But now even these stocks are running low. Open-source analyst Jompy scrutinized three vehicle parks and concluded most of the remaining vehicles hadn’t moved in years. “A vehicle that doesn’t move for so long is a dead vehicle,” Jompy explained.

With armored vehicles—even very old ones—becoming increasingly rare in Russian service, more Russian assault groups are riding in civilian vans and compact cars. Horses may be next.

This de-mechanization exposes Russian infantry to withering Ukrainian firepower—and gets a lot of troops killed unnecessarily, Sapozhnikov wrote. Civilian vehicles, pressed into front-line service, are “complete horsehockey that burns and kills our soldiers,” a source told Sapozhnikov.

But that doesn’t mean Russia is losing the wider war. As bad as Russia’s force-generation problems are, Ukraine’s are worse.

“Russian forces are sustaining heavy losses,” Ukrainian analysis group Frontelligence Insight explained. “However, they continue advancing in multiple areas where Ukrainian defenses are stretched thin due to manpower shortages—and where Russia has been able to concentrate superior numbers.”

North Korea's forces appear to be the latest 'expendable' army chewed up fighting Russia's war against Ukraine​

North Korean forces sent to fight Russia's war appear to be the latest in a growing line of disposable troops that have been torn apart in its fight against Ukraine.

The troops sent to fight in Kursk are believed to be some of North Korea's more dedicated, better-trained soldiers, but they've suffered heavy losses in bloody "human wave" assaults. Ukraine's military has said these forces haven't been seen in weeks, speculating that their high casualty rate may have led to them being withdrawn.

South Korea's intelligence agency supported these observations, according to local media, saying there had been no signs of the North Korean forces engaging in combat in Kursk in weeks. The National Intelligence Service said the high losses could be the reason the forces were pulled off the front line, but they were looking into it.

Expendable armies


Russia's war against Ukraine has devastated entire Russian military units, from elite forces to poorly trained conscript units, butchered convict armies, and wiped out mercenary forces. Like the North Korean troops, many of these forces have been described as "cannon fodder" or simply "meat."

The brutal Wagner mercenary group, which relied heavily on prisoners, lost an estimated 20,000 fighters in the fight for Bakhmut. Russia's Storm-Z penal units, which are basically convict forces, experienced high losses in front-line fights as well.

Last year, the British Ministry of Defense accused Moscow of "wasting lives in a grotesque approach that typifies the depths to which President Putin's regime is prepared to go." Now, North Korean forces seem to have experienced a similar fate.

More than 11,000 North Korean soldiers, mostly special operations forces, deployed to Russia's Kursk region last November in the wake of Ukraine's shock invasion of Russian territory.

Later, once the North Korean troops had seen actual combat, the Biden White House said the soldiers were involved in front-line assaults in Kursk and were being treated "as expendable." A Ukrainian commander who faced the North Koreans in battle told Business Insider they were basically "cannon fodder."

Western and South Korean intelligence have tracked the reported casualties. The latest estimates put losses at about 4,000. The Institute for the Study of War think tank recently estimated that the entire contingent could be killed or wounded by April if current casualty rates were to continue. But North Korean forces no longer appear to be on the front line.

The Russian way of war​


In a talk hosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies on Tuesday, Seth Jones, the president of the center's defense and security department, said that the reported casualty rate was astonishing and that the soldiers were seemingly being used in ways similar to Russia's prison units, especially in Kursk, where the goal is to retake the territory Ukraine has seized and fortified.


"That's the way it appears that the Russians have used North Korean forces," Jones said, adding that Russia had done this with higher-end forces as well. "This is the Russian way of war," he said. "It is stunning in the high-casualty component of it."

Last month, Jones and Benjamin Jensen, a fellow at CSIS's future lab who's also a professor at the Marine Corps University School of Advanced Warfighting, wrote in an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal that though a majority of North Korean forces appeared to have come from its elite Storm Corps, they were being used for mine clearance and frontal assaults on fortified Ukrainian positions. This isn't a primary function of special operations units.

Russia has shown improvements in its wartime tactics. Its electronic warfare and use of uncrewed systems have developed rapidly. It has also advanced its reconnaissance strike complex. But the way it approaches retaking territory and engages in attritional warfare with many losses continues.

A slow, grinding, attritional fight is not one that works to Ukraine's advantage, as Russia has more bodies it can commit to its war machine. Even as Ukraine continues to hold a significant portion of the territory it captured in Kursk, Russia has turned up the pressure, making it more difficult to hold. Moscow doesn't have an endless supply of bodies, though.

Russia's human-wave assaults, vicious tactics with roots in old Soviet doctrine, have been documented throughout the war. They're intended to strain and overwhelm enemy defenses, but they come at extreme costs.

The estimates for Russians killed and wounded in this war have been as high as 800,000. Western intelligence has tracked increasingly high daily losses, especially at the end of last year. The North Korean soldiers appear to now be being added to those losses. Neither the Russian embassy nor the Russian defense ministry responded to requests for comment.

A bloody partnership


When North Korea deployed troops to fight for Russia, it appeared to signal the next step in a growing partnership. North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un and Russian President Vladimir Putin have negotiated a mutual defense pact, as well as arms deals.

Along with combat forces, North Korea has delivered ammunition and other weapons to Russia. What Kim could be getting in return remains highly speculative, but possibilities include certain space and satellite capabilities, as well as food, petroleum products, and help with its air force and submarines. North Korea is also getting critical insights into how its weapons, including both artillery and missiles, perform in battle and valuable lessons in the ways of modern warfare.

Jones said Pyongyang appeared to have offered troops to Moscow rather than reacted to a request, but it's unclear whether North Korea fully understood how its troops would be used. For Putin, the benefit of using North Korean troops, much like Wagner and other forces, is the ability to avoid a contentious mobilization at home.

The South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff said last month that Pyongyang might be planning to deploy additional forces and military equipment to Russia. Though North Korean forces seem to have been absent from the front lines in recent weeks, it's unclear whether that's temporary or permanent.
 

After Losing 15,000 Vehicles, Some Russian Troops In Ukraine Are Riding Horses​



North Korea's forces appear to be the latest 'expendable' army chewed up fighting Russia's war against Ukraine​


They're spedrunng ze Gernans from 1941-43.
 
Moderator Action: Let's stick with current news please. The pre WW2 topic is interesting but should be covered in a different thread.
 
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Turns out "independent outlets" were directly funded by US government. What a surprise.
Trump administration move to temporarily shutter US agency triggers crisis for independent outlets in ex-Soviet space

The 2025 foreign aid budget included $268mn allocated by Congress to support “independent media and the free flow of information” around the world, according to Reporters Without Borders, citing data that has since been removed from the US government website. Jeanne Cavelier, head of Reporters Without Borders’ eastern Europe & Central Asia Desk, warned that the freeze would be “catastrophic” for many independent outlets in the former Soviet space, including in Ukraine, where most outlets rely on US grants. Of Belarus’s remaining independent news outlets — all of which are now in exile — at least six reported a complete cessation of funding, Cavelier said.

In Russia, one of the biggest independent outlets, Meduza, was due to hold a management board meeting on Friday to discuss its future. Other media had already begun implementing staff and salary cuts, said Sauer. Created by President John F. Kennedy to counter Soviet influence during the height of the cold war, USAID is best known for its work responding to the world’s worst humanitarian emergencies, with much of its current resources devoted to the crises in Gaza and Ukraine. The agency has also been a notable backer of organisations promoting democracy and independent news outlets, many in the former Soviet space.

In Georgia, the Russia-leaning ruling party has long criticised alleged US involvement in backing the pro-European opposition, which held large-scale protests against the country sliding back into Moscow’s orbit. “The fact that American money was funding evil is now openly acknowledged by Trump and his administration”, said Mamuka Mdinaradze, head of the ruling Georgia Dream parliamentary faction.

 
The National Security and Defence Council has imposed sanctions on Poroshenko, accusing him of ‘state treason’. It looks like Zelensky has started preparing for the elections, in his usual manner (if anyone does not know, under the President of the Peace many parties and media were closed down before the war).
UPD. President didn't sign sanction yet (09:45 CET)
UPD2. It's official. Sanctions are now in place t.me/uniannet
Spoiler UPD3. What in sanction? :

Sanctions against Poroshenko have been imposed indefinitely, that is, permanently

They include:

◽️ Deprivation of state awards and honours.
◽️ Blocking of assets - complete loss of the right to use and dispose of property.
◽️ Restriction and complete cessation of trade operations.

◽️ Prohibition of transit, transport and flights on the territory of Ukraine. Prevention of withdrawal of capital abroad.
◽️ Stopping the fulfilment of economic and financial obligations.
◽️ Stopping participation in privatisation and leasing of state property.

◽️ Restricting access to the radio frequency spectrum of Ukraine.
◽️ Prohibition to purchase land plots.
◽️ Prohibition to conclude financial transactions, pay dividends and conduct operations with securities.
 
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No one and nothing in Europe has deterrence capacity against Russia @Verbose
I dint get it. How EU, with 450 mlns vs 145 mlns and gdp much bigger than Russia, doomed agaings Russia?

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Problem with Budapest memorandum - neutrality. Since Ukraine decide to join NATO (it happen way before 2014) - Ukraine lost guarantee, doesn't it?
Returning to this status quo was claimed as one the goal of this "smo" initially
 
Baltics, Eastern Poland and Bessarabia were for Soviet Union then like Taiwan is now for PRC.
Its quite clear how it was buffer against Germany from history afterwards.

I missed this one. Please recall to us all, what country controlled the baltics and east poland between 1871 (the foundation of the german empire) and 1915?

He could ask them back...the ones Russia took from Ukraine as agreed on a now forgotten toilet piece of paper used by Putin!

Another one repeating weak sauce propaganda. Don't you ever get tired of acting the relay that crap? What have you actually researched about the history of the issue regarding the disposition of soviet nuclear forces leading up to the Budapenst Memorandum? Did you read the thing itself? Any short diplomatic history about it?

Here, this 2012 paper is probably short enough for your attention span. Or not? Try to read through it. Learn to read the original sources before exposing youself repeating propaganda so you can start avoiding doing that.
I'll even quote the most relevant pieces:
Moderator Action: Warned for trolling. The_J

Nonetheless, as a result of a bold strategy that defined a bright red line of zero nuclear
weapons in these states, established deep U.S.-Russian cooperation, and carefully
employed the full array of carrots and sticks, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Belarus each
agreed in 1994 to eliminate all nuclear weapons on their soil. By the end of 1996, every
one of the 3,200 strategic nuclear warheads in these states had been deactivated and
returned to Russia. In addition, 14,000 Soviet tactical nuclear warheads that had been
deployed outside Russia were returned, and many of them dismantled.
[...]
Had Ukraine retained the strategic nuclear weapons it inherited from the former Soviet
Union, it would instantly have become the third largest nuclear weapons power in the
world. The implications of this fact for U.S. national security can hardly be exaggerated.
Some 1,250 nuclear warheads on ICBMs targeting American cities would have come
under the command of a new and unstable government in Kiev.

Initially, the military chain of command of strategic nuclear forces in Ukraine ran
from Moscow to Strategic Missile Forces officers in Ukraine. After Ukrainian president
Leonid Kravchuk forced military officers serving in Ukraine to swear sole allegiance to
the new Ukrainian state, questions of command and control of weapons became more
ambiguous. On the one hand, Moscow continued to control the codes required to unlock
and launch nuclear-tipped missiles. On the other, many of these technical systems had
been developed by scientists and engineers in Ukraine — who were now coming to think
of themselves as Ukrainians.
[...]
On repeated occasions, as Assistant Secretary, I told Ukrainian counterparts that if I were an advisor
to the Russian General Staff and concluded that Ukraine was about to take operational
control of nuclear-armed ICBMs, I would advise attacking the weapons and facilities to
prevent that outcome.
[...]
As negotiations over the nuclear weapons dragged on, and evidence of Ukraine’s
seriousness about taking operational control of nuclear weapons mounted, Russian
negotiators struck a responsive chord by arguing that the weapons in Ukraine had passed
their “service warranty” and were at risk of leaking radiation or even exploding. The U.S.
did nothing to deflate such exaggeration. Morozov, Ukraine’s then-Defense Minister,
believes to this day that Ukraine could not have ensured the safe operation of nuclear
weapons on its territory. According to Morozov, Ukraine had “no technological capacity
for ensuring safe operation of nuclear weapons.” In fact, when asked to name the top
three reasons why Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons, Morozov cited (1) the unpredictable
consequences that the Ukrainian government would have had to face if it had decided to
claim command and control of the nuclear weapons deployed in Ukraine; (2) the lack of
technical preparations that would have been needed to take over their maintenance and
operation quickly; and (3) the need for Ukraine to comply with the Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
[...]
After the fact, it is difficult to imagine what might have been. What if Ukraine had
attempted to seize operational control of ICBMs with strategic nuclear warheads? What if
during such an effort, Russia had attacked the missile silos? What if, in that chaos, an
accident had triggered the launch of one missile with ten nuclear warheads against
American cities?

Anyone who actually knows the history of the region knows that Ukraine never controlled any nuclear weapons. They were all aways under the control of the successor state, Russia, in military units taking orders from Moscow. They just hapepned to have been localed physically in Ukraine intil the final pullout.
 
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