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[RD] War in Ukraine: Other topics
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ı know ı saved the image in which possibly the Polish Defence Minister says in effect the cheapest is Ukranian troops and the most expensive would be Americans in battle , but ı have thousands of images on the tablet and very few options to make searching them easier . The world has known it from the first day that it was about attriting Russia . Repeating something is not so ... does not make that something go away , in quite a few of cases . Once again , the Baltic pipelines , which is at the moment the fault of one single Ukranian guy and not even the other 5 people he led and they will not visit Germany and that's all . This is the illogical case where the President of the United States had threaten to destroy those pipelines in the understanding of all political commentators in the global South and stuff . Not particularly South myself , let me add in my name .
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Make up your mind, either Russia has been somehow dragged in Ukraine as a trap, or it wants to be in Ukraine and refuses to leave. Both are incompatible.
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what seems a great argument in the West is not in the rest of the world . The peoples of the Global South have been sold by the West so many times that they have no trouble believing Russia was tricked into invading . That's why they are cheering so silently . So happy that the Western propaganda outlets are not so loud .
the "next" move of many will be Bidon had lost mental abilities and his search of legacy led to trying what so many before had failed to achieve . It is the entire funny stupid Russian military tradition to lose a lot of theirs to make it impossible to lose . And try doing this when Ukraine had won and there was nothing Russians could do to stop official , fully visible NATO brigades flooding into Ukraine to deter future Russian attacks by conventional military operations . The grain deal thing in 2022 , or Boris Johnson in Kiev wrecking the peace deal and the Ukranian victory . Even available in March 2022 , as some smart people killed the Ukrainian mobster traitor peace delegate after he had got an almost equally good deal from Putin . It is in CFC , but naturally ignored automatically because ... the Portuguese guy .
and Russians would be fighting a Civil War and people would still get all the destruction of Russia they would ever want . Wait until it will be the official US policy to discuss which corporations were to get which benefits from Ukraine . They would have started getting it since July 2022 , right ?
the "next" move of many will be Bidon had lost mental abilities and his search of legacy led to trying what so many before had failed to achieve . It is the entire funny stupid Russian military tradition to lose a lot of theirs to make it impossible to lose . And try doing this when Ukraine had won and there was nothing Russians could do to stop official , fully visible NATO brigades flooding into Ukraine to deter future Russian attacks by conventional military operations . The grain deal thing in 2022 , or Boris Johnson in Kiev wrecking the peace deal and the Ukranian victory . Even available in March 2022 , as some smart people killed the Ukrainian mobster traitor peace delegate after he had got an almost equally good deal from Putin . It is in CFC , but naturally ignored automatically because ... the Portuguese guy .
and Russians would be fighting a Civil War and people would still get all the destruction of Russia they would ever want . Wait until it will be the official US policy to discuss which corporations were to get which benefits from Ukraine . They would have started getting it since July 2022 , right ?
yep, so it's the other option.
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everybody understood well enough when NATO officially mistakenly released Ukranians adorned with things reliably identified as Nazi insignia . That people might personally doubt it does not stop the world take notice the lust to reverse the results of the Second World War . Nobody doubted it one one moment when they heard about the conviction , the declarations and stuff that this would not happen . Nobody took propaganda stuff that Russians were buying washing machines for the chips . It was clear to the entire world that both chips and washing machines would be available to Russia .
yeah , the heroic return of Europe . Currently "under the occupation of immigrants" as we might not be liked to state in CFC . Which also happens to have global acceptance , however distasteful . Hopefully you are not counting on fixing this with the return of true warriors from the battlefield ?
your entire argument should have been like joining NATO is a right Ukraine should have . Here you have the chance to push 10 or 20 brigades into Ukraine as UN peacekeepers and if Russia vetoes it , like who is Russia anyhow ? You know , having just invaded a peaceful country and got beaten back so totally . Just avoid a vote in the security chamber or claim they are the precursors for the real peacekeepers . No need for Ukraine to join NATO , too , it is all safe . Ah , you want the return of lands some say to be occupied by Russia . So , there must be war ? Like why handicapping the Ukranians then ? Banning them to use their Challengers and M-1s so that only a few Leopards get blown up for the post-war market share to be properly arranged ? It is not like chess , is it ? When all the pieces go back into the box and life goes on ...
yeah , the heroic return of Europe . Currently "under the occupation of immigrants" as we might not be liked to state in CFC . Which also happens to have global acceptance , however distasteful . Hopefully you are not counting on fixing this with the return of true warriors from the battlefield ?
your entire argument should have been like joining NATO is a right Ukraine should have . Here you have the chance to push 10 or 20 brigades into Ukraine as UN peacekeepers and if Russia vetoes it , like who is Russia anyhow ? You know , having just invaded a peaceful country and got beaten back so totally . Just avoid a vote in the security chamber or claim they are the precursors for the real peacekeepers . No need for Ukraine to join NATO , too , it is all safe . Ah , you want the return of lands some say to be occupied by Russia . So , there must be war ? Like why handicapping the Ukranians then ? Banning them to use their Challengers and M-1s so that only a few Leopards get blown up for the post-war market share to be properly arranged ? It is not like chess , is it ? When all the pieces go back into the box and life goes on ...
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You're projecting notions and ideas on me that I have nothing to do with. I have no interest, and I'm not going to engage with stuff you pull out of your head and foist on me.
You can state what you think, feel, or whatever, perfectly fine without projecting any of it onto me or anyone else.
Moderator Action: Back to civility please.
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Except everyone kinda knows the general machismo of Russians makes them leaving anytime soon impossible.
Germany & France are the ones who are also preventing long range weapons use. Must they always wait for the US to do something? Or are they simply not sovereign enough to act alone?
they didn't get the memo.
Kyiv says troops advancing further in Russia, as BBC told UK tanks used in incursion
Kyiv says it is setting an administrative office in the Russian region of Kursk, where it is pressing ahead with a military offensive.
www.bbc.com
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ah , oh , uh , sure . You are aware we are basically talking about 2023 here in which the US was down to sending one single M-1 to Poland to force Germany to give away the Leopards because somehow Bonn/Berlin had imposed some sort of a maintenance control on the tanks and the likes of Spain donating theirs would only result in tanks staying in depots ? Then the modern systems of the American tanks meaning they took some 9 months in training in Germany to arrive just in time for the Rasputitza/mud season ? Missing the much expected Summer Offensive , leaving the honours to Leopards ? The utter life and death struggle of Ukraine meaning the first Abrams loss was in like February this year ? When the first 5 were lost they were taken off the field ? Returned with cope cages something which was much funny when they were on Russian tanks ? That there might have been casualties between 5 and up to 20 , even if tanks can be killed multiple times ?
like last year's attacks should have seen the Challengers and Abrams leading . Like because max weight for Leo II is like 73 tons while M-1s is about 87 and Challenger about 92 . Like WW ll style with "Tigers" breaking in and "Panthers" exploiting . Or like everything in the frontlines . With 300 more M-1s simplified by now and in the firing line . This thread so far concentrates that the West has NOT been supporting Ukraine in an effective way which then suggest this is an attrition campaign to weaken Russia , presumably to plunder it by proxy . Please do not give me Ukranian heroism , am pretty confident ı can cover it with fully acceptable reverence when the situation demands it . In case you have so far failed to notice , this is pretty much the "Fight to the last Ukranian" territory .
like last year's attacks should have seen the Challengers and Abrams leading . Like because max weight for Leo II is like 73 tons while M-1s is about 87 and Challenger about 92 . Like WW ll style with "Tigers" breaking in and "Panthers" exploiting . Or like everything in the frontlines . With 300 more M-1s simplified by now and in the firing line . This thread so far concentrates that the West has NOT been supporting Ukraine in an effective way which then suggest this is an attrition campaign to weaken Russia , presumably to plunder it by proxy . Please do not give me Ukranian heroism , am pretty confident ı can cover it with fully acceptable reverence when the situation demands it . In case you have so far failed to notice , this is pretty much the "Fight to the last Ukranian" territory .
I think that Russian nuclear threats were working on the US/West, they still are, see how many people are afraid of "escalation" and "red lines", especially Germany (still refusing to send Taurus), but so are the others, yet less and less the further East you go. They know the real threat there.
And we shouldn't be afraid IMO, Ukraine's doing all it can to prove all those red lines are just bluff, but yet, we are afraid, we cross them one by one, slowly, and maybe that's the reason we're still alive and able to post here today, I would have send NATO air force over Ukraine for its defense day one. At minimum we should follow Turkey example and shoot anything Russian playing with NATO borders by now, that's the kind of dialogue Putin understand.
you seem to follow the war, you should know large scale offensive WWII style are impossible in Ukraine, for multiple reasons, and you should also know the main cause of losses for tanks are mines, drones, artillery, not other tanks.
56 western MBT have been visually confirmed lost in Ukraine, most being Leopard II (33 + 7 Stridsvagn 122), because most of the MBT tanks sent in Ukraine are Leopard II.
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ı do remember the multiple posts in CFC that very strongly suggested that Russian nuclear weapons were fake and like wouldn't go off in the first place .
ı know mines , ı was like the first to post a picture of "Agriculture" or whatever the hell it is called , was not much liked . Causing doubts about the Summer Offensive of '23 .
you will see large scale offensives were much possible in Ukraine , when the Russians were caught flatfooted . And the very first Russian advance in the East , when Kiev was the only thing on Western TVs . And attrition will do its trick and Ukranians will no longer be able to have reserves within range . Russians defeated Wehrmacht , even if with a lot of Ukranians in the ranks . Do you think they forgot all about that ?
ı know mines , ı was like the first to post a picture of "Agriculture" or whatever the hell it is called , was not much liked . Causing doubts about the Summer Offensive of '23 .
you will see large scale offensives were much possible in Ukraine , when the Russians were caught flatfooted . And the very first Russian advance in the East , when Kiev was the only thing on Western TVs . And attrition will do its trick and Ukranians will no longer be able to have reserves within range . Russians defeated Wehrmacht , even if with a lot of Ukranians in the ranks . Do you think they forgot all about that ?
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a seperate post is in order . When New Turkey shot down the Russian Su-24 , American F-15s "ran away" from Incirlik .
not pushing Putin too much is a very smart thing . He might be pushed far too much for your eventual liking . Even if this mass of reserves have been proven non-existant like a million times over .
not pushing Putin too much is a very smart thing . He might be pushed far too much for your eventual liking . Even if this mass of reserves have been proven non-existant like a million times over .
USSR defeated Wehrmacht, not Russia alone, and they were the one being invaded at the time, people here would have suggested them to surrender in 1941, to save their lives, and that US support was just delaying the inevitable, only a way to weaken Germany.
