War on Atheism

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  1. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    You don't count as a denomination until there's a war on you! After Women and Christmas, it's us baby yeah! :banana:

    http://news.yahoo.com/atheists-around-world-suffer-persecution-discrimination-report-000945958.html

    Well, sure ... "unbelievers" in Islamic countries we all know how uncivilized they are. In our glorious western ...

    Ah ....

    Please tell me that last paragraph are them old laws that no one pays any mind to.
     
  2. Siderealex

    Siderealex Chieftain

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    I want to say I remember some people part of a city council in...South Carolina I think. Tried to use laws like that to bar an atheist from the council. They ended up losing but the news coverage it got highlighted the issue.
     
  3. Antilogic

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    That sounds like something that should be covered by Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (plus the 14th Amendment and incorporation doctrine), but nobody has sued over it so therefore it remains on the books.
     
  4. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    "Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God." -Heywood Broun
     
  5. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    So you insist there is no God?
     
  6. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    It certainly seems one of your major themes on these forums.
     
  7. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    I wasn't the one bringing God into this thread, you were. Hence ...

    And indeed. As an atheist kid of religious parents and growing up in a religious town, I do find the subject interesting.
     
  8. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    Sorry, I should have realized God was off limits on an athiest thread.
     
  9. anandus

    anandus Errorist

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    The provisions (I've quoted them below) are still being paid attention to, sometimes they are pointed to to try and unseat an elected person (like Cecil Bothwell in 2009), even though the provisions are trumped by the “No Religious Test Clause” of the United States Constitution, which is found in Article VI, paragraph 3.

    The provisions (and states) in question are:
     
  10. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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    So, technically, if someone in either of those states denies the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, they shouldn't be allowed to hold office?
     
  11. Grisu

    Grisu Draghetto Retired Moderator

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    soon now somebody's probably going to say that freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion :crazyeye:

    In any case, I don't think any of these state provisions would hold up if challenged, but yeah, it's sad that many places still have such stuff in place (and I'm not singling out the US here...many European states, my own, included still have preferential treatment for religious bodies that IMHO conflict with secularism - State churches and all that for example).
     
  12. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    And the Tories want to keep it that way, they were supposed to give the Lib Dems some House Of Lords reform as part fo the coalition but they are refusing to.

    Hopefully eventually the Lib Dems and Labour will get together and make a deal so we will get an elected House Of Lords.
     
  13. Tahuti

    Tahuti Writing Deity

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    Not really, the US Constitution forbids such legal impediments.
     
  14. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    :mwaha: I'm only going to mug Arkansan atheists from now on!
     
  15. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    They're easily identified.

     
  16. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Hopefully this will carry on. Then I'll get sympathy. A lot of leftists seem to view me as the ultimate container of priviledge, but as an athiest hopefully i will get some kind of relief from the government.
     
  17. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    You'll be spared an automatic seat in the upper house of parliament, so that's a benefit.
     
  18. Phrossack

    Phrossack Armored Fish and Armored Men

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    The sad thing is that atheists aren't a community, so we can't resist in an organized fashion as effectively as religions can.
     
  19. Truronian

    Truronian Quite unfamiliar Retired Moderator

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    While that is certainly a nice sounding quote, I don't think it holds up. I haven't talked about God outside of these forums or my job for anything more than five minutes in the last two or three years. I imagine the same is true for majority of atheists.
     
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    It can be hard, for me, to have sympathy for atheists in the United States who complain about discrimination against them while, at the same time, atheists make light of people's deeply held beliefs (which isn't to say that the same atheists who make light of others' beliefs are the same who are discriminated against, merely that atheists who are dismissive of the beliefs of others aren't doing the public image of atheists in general any favors). Likewise, the travails of atheists living in America seem minor compared with the occasionally violent discrimination that Sikhs, Muslims, people of color, and homosexuals sometimes face even in America.

    Of course there shouldn't be laws, in the US or Iran or anywhere else, that discriminate or punish atheists simply because of their beliefs, or lack of, or however you describe it. That said, I think that the discrimination atheists face in the US, both in law and socially, is less troublesome than discrimination faced by the other groups listed above.
     

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