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War theme elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Brennan1214, Nov 24, 2013.

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  1. Teproc

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    Babylon- 17 +1 = 18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium- 20
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 11
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 8 - 3 = 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia- 21
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 23
    Siam- 5
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 21
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 20

    Babylon : I guess I like Mesopotamian war themes ! The Babylon war theme is very recognizable and distinctive, and I enjoy it a lot.

    Morocco : It's appropriate for Morocco, but not appropriate for war. It's also pretty anoying with the voices.
     
  2. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Aztec- 14
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium- 20
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 11
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia- 21
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 23
    Siam- 5-3=2 now you're hanging by a thread, Siam War, this theme could have been much better
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 21
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 20+1=21 I don't know what people were expecting, scary drum beating? the praise poetry fits Shaka perfectly as the AI loves war
     
  3. Brennan1214

    Brennan1214 Chieftain

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    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium- 20
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 11
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia- 21
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 23+1=24 It has great epicness. The sudden instrument shift halfway through is cool.
    Siam- 2-3=-1 Same reason as before. Just moving in to finish it off.
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 21
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21
     
  4. Pythakoreas

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    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium- 20
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 11-3=8 Underwhelming if you consider the strong military tradition in pre-WW2 Germany.
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia- 21+1=22 IKUWA!!!
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 21
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21
     
  5. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium- 20+1=21 The Imperial theme, Byzantine style :D
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany-8-3=5 it could have been better, sounds too slow and dull in some parts
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 21
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21
     
  6. MantaRevan

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    Kinda dull, doesn't really make me think of the Aztecs, I think if Firaxis made this theme today in their current style it would be a lot more energetic.

    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany-5
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Wow dat climax. Why do some warmongering civs like the Aztecs have dull war themes but for some reason Sweden of all people gets this epic battle march that sounds like it came from a triple A blockbuster?

    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21
     
  7. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 13
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany-5-3=2 I bring you into the earth, Germany war! A rather dull version of a great musical piece
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 7+1=8 I don't care if others hate this "random" theme, it fits Pacal for me as he laughs at your declaration of war, I think Iroquois war should be the first Amerindian war theme to get eliminated first.
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21
     
  8. benjamin28

    benjamin28 Warlord

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    America- 18
    Arabia- 18 + 1 = 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 13
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 2
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya- 8 -3 = 5
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21

    + Same as the peace theme, Arabia's war music is unique, as it changes constantly and thus avoids becoming dull as several other pieces. It starts very slowly, like some general regretting what he has to do, but in the middle, the mood changes and the Arabian troops march against their enemies!

    - I can appreciate dissonance in music, but this tune goes too far. In the beginning is a mix of several screechings and chaos, that suddenly loses its way and ends up nowhere.
     
  9. CHEESE!

    CHEESE! On a long nostalgia trip

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    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 26 - 3 = 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 2
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 21 + 1 = 22

    I seem to be the only person in the world who really dislikes England's themes. They seem pretty bland to me, to be honest.
     
  10. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 13
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- 2-3=-1 eliminated I'll just put Germany war out of its misery, I find it slow and dull, could have been better
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 14+1=15 its seems many players dislike Maya War, so I'll let them be eliminate, and try to save this theme, I like the stringed instrument in this theme, it also evokes court intrigue for me, can't really hear Arirang though ;)
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 21
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 12
    Zulu - 22
     
  11. Magean

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    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 13
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Germany- -1 eliminated
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15 i
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 21+1=22 I really love the long song.
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 12-3=9 Really nothing interesting in it. It even sounds like a Vietnam war movie at some point...
    Zulu - 22
     
  12. Dudu42

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    I really only have a strong opinion on the ones I like the most. Brazil, Carthage, Zulu and England, in this order. So, the civs marked in green are the ones I upvoted (+1).

    Lame themes I never bothered caring about enough to judge them.


    America- 18
    Arabia- 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 13
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 26 - Chega de Saudade is a milestone in our music, and mixing it with a bondesque vibe was brilliant.
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 23 - Very intense. Just that.
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 24 - Catchy and classic.
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15 i
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 23 - Can't really specify why I like this theme, but I do. I also like the fact they're quite the warmongers so I get to listen to this theme often.
     
  13. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    I'll skip the above votes:confused:, you only give +1 to one theme, and subtract -3 from another.

    America- 18
    Arabia- 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 13+1=14 I find this theme fitting, it's spooky and makes me think of Jaguars hiding and waiting to jump unsuspecting conquistadors :D
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18
    China- 14
    Denmark- 17-3=14Many people hated Denmark peace, well the war theme isn't much better, I assume the lyrics are in Medieval Latin instead of Old Norse, but I can never tell due to their low volume, definitely not a song I can sing to
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 22
     
  14. benjamin28

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    America- 18
    Arabia- 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 14 + 1 = 15
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 18 - 3 = 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 8
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 5
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 22

    + A very varied piece: starts with a lot of drama, goes on with some impressive pizzicato strings that seems to show the tragedy of war, and the final part is almost optimistic, signaling the Aztec victory. Really, listen to it once more, you'd be surprised how underestimated it has been! :)

    - Boudicca's theme wouldn't be if it was just another Europan war track, but, as a celt music, sounds rather generic. I wasn't expecting any New Age-ish tune, but the only celtic influence seems to be the ulliean pipes -which are pretty subtle, by the way.
     
  15. ToothedBomb

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    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 15
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 5
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-5
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 6
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 22

    The Iroquois theme is incredibly repetitive and dull.
    I think Persia's theme is pretty great. It sounds very dramatic and sad.
     
  16. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 15
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 5-3=2 My least favorite of the Amerindian war themes, too slow, it does sound sinister and fits Hiawatha backstabbing nature, but little else is likable
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-5+1=6 I'll make sure Maya war will be the second Amerindian to go, now it requires two downvotes :), it's kinda underrated in my opinion along with Morocco war
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 5
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 6
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 22
     
  17. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    America- 18-3=15 it's a good theme, but it doesn't stand out too much to me, evil America the Beautiful, that's all
    Arabia- 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 15
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 2
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-6
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 5+1=6 I like the beginning, pretty intimidating with the vocals, I feel that a few other themes should be eliminated first before this one
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 6
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 22
     
  18. CHEESE!

    CHEESE! On a long nostalgia trip

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    Austria- 14
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    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 23 - 3 = 20
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 2
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-6
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 6
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 6
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 24 + 1 = 25
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 9
    Zulu - 22

    I've had a few more listens to England's war theme. It's terrible. Way too many seemingly arbitrary changes in style at inopportune points, sounds nothing at all like its base, and parts seem horribly anticlimactic, like the instruments were building up to a crescendo that wasn't there. Overall, a messy hodgepodge of sort-of-English-militia-type stuff that doesn't get off the ground at any point. It's a shame, because I actually like what they were apparently going for, in a light, almost folksy theme, avoiding the omnipotent sweep-you-off-your-feet majesty of America or Assyria, but it keeps sliding into that somehow.

    Compare this with Shoshone, which I think is actually the best piece of music in the game. It's colorful, it has a dramatic but well-integrated and engaging change in style at a clear point halfway through, and there's no sense of anticlimax when it hits the quieter pipe solo - instead, it starts a new ground from which to build up a really striking instrumental mix, with the climb-down at the end rounding it off perfectly.

    In both of the pieces there's a sense of flavor, of some mystical idea of what a war with the civilization 'should' sound like, but whereas with the Shoshone this sense increases the drama of the war and provides a real feeling of majesty (without the menace of e.g. Washington or Montezuma's themes, which I feel fall a bit flat), the English theme seems entirely built around this fuzzy concept, which is not the way I think a piece of music should be done, unless you're writing it for Shaka, because, hey, it's Shaka, you can ham it up however you like.
     
  19. Lord Xavius

    Lord Xavius Mostly Lurking

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    America- 15
    Arabia- 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 15
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 21 (England is far above most other themes. When I think war theme, it's this one that exemplifies the concept.)
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 2
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-6
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 6
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 6
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 25
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 6 (It's mostly uninspired.)
    Zulu - 22
     
  20. benjamin28

    benjamin28 Warlord

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    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    America- 15
    Arabia- 19
    Assyria- 17
    Austria- 14
    Aztec- 15
    Babylon-18
    Brazil- 25
    Byzantium-21
    Carthage- 22
    Celts- 15
    China- 14
    Denmark- 14
    Dutch- 21
    Egypt- 21
    England- 21
    Ethiopia- 19
    France- 17
    Greece- 19
    Huns- 21
    Inca- 18
    India- 17
    Indonesia- 23
    Iroquois- 2
    Japan- 19
    Korea- 15
    Maya-6
    Mongolia- 22
    Morocco- 6
    Ottoman- 22
    Persia- 6 + 1 = 7
    Poland- 21
    Polynesia-22
    Portugal- 21
    Russia- 23
    Shoshone- 25
    Songhai-14
    Spain- 23
    Sweden- 22
    Venice- 6 - 3 = 3
    Zulu - 22

    + I won't sleep well if England's theme goes below 20, but I just couldn't help but notice that Persia's hymn is ranking too low. Why is that? Not every single war theme has to be bombastic. Darius' theme reflects the anger and sorrow in a slow but beautiful way.

    - Oh, Venice, Venice... why are your themes so unimpressive? They lack personality and end up sounding like a standard Hollywood score. Please, go away and never return.
     
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