War Weariness too taxing on the innocent.

[Dogmouse]

Im right at the birth of the Middle Ages, playing as the Americans.

My border sharing neighbor, the Incas, demanded Iron, or else...

Of course, I refused.

They attacked, but I had anticipated their treachery, and was
ready to deal with them, purely on a defensive basis, without
initiating a single counter-attack.

Within 4 full turns of a completely defensive strategy, just about
every one of my cities fell into civil disorder, and continued to fall
into disruption, even after several attempts to put out the inner fires that raged.

That seems excessively unfair somehow.

Even though my government is a Republic, and suffers War Weariness easily,
I never fired a shot, and was more or less minding my own business. I had to
shift all my production just to ward of the stinkin' bloodthirsty Incas.
That kind of production shift seemed like a penalty in and of itself, especially
when my focus was not militaristic.

What would you have done with this situation?

Does that seem unfair to you as well?

Just wondering, Cheers,

Rich

 

[NeonInfusion]

A) Why did you not beat the crap out of them?

B) I would have switched back to some bad government (in my opinion) like despotism.

 

[Dogmouse]

I meant to say "Hello", by the way. I've been playing Civ since...uh, I guess back when "Colonization" came out ...remember that one? Its another one of those "Oh my Lord, its 4 in the morning" games.

Cheers, and I hope you might have some tips on war weariness.

Cheers,

Rich

 

[Dogmouse]

Originally posted by NeonInfusion
A) Why did you not beat the crap out of them?

B) I would have switched back to some bad government (in my opinion) like despotism.

Normally, I would have, but Im trying to concentrate mostly on Scientific Advancement, and less on war.

Difficult to do, I know.

 

[NeonInfusion]

what time period was this? If you were Scientific in the modern times, just get a ton of ROP's and then nuke the Incas. Crude but effective.

what civ were you? that would help in my decision of govt choices.

 

[Dogmouse]

First line of my post...

The birth of the Middle Ages, playing as the Americans.

 

[NeonInfusion]

right....

Uh... I'm a little phased out. I'm tired, but still here.
Well, no offense, but i really dislike the Americans.
Chinese are my preference, militaristic + industrious.

 

[Dogmouse]

Originally posted by NeonInfusion
right....

Uh... I'm a little phased out. I'm tired, but still here.
Well, no offense, but i really dislike the Americans.
Chinese are my preference, militaristic + industrious.

No offense taken. I havent played the Chinese. I like Whompin' on em too much


...but what do you do about war weariness, Neon? Just wondering.

 

[NeonInfusion]

I usually stay in Democracy as soon as I get it, so my war weariness stays high, but I usually control most of the resources and I have Marketplaces, so it usually works out. Most of the time, i'm at war with one civ or another, or I just let them feebly attack me with warriors *laughs*. My citizens don't revolt, yet the production is reduced, cuz I stay in war.

 

[CCA]

I cant believe no ones done this............. WELCOME TO CFC DOGMOUSE

 

[NeonInfusion]

Why? Apparently, he's already been welcomed when he decided to join CFC. I also welcomed him by replying to this thread.

 

[Atotarho]

It can be unfair and a tactic that the AI uses sometimes just to slow you down.

I have many times had CIVs half a continent away declare war on me while in Democracy, usualy if your the points leader, and never come anywhere near me and refuse to sign a peace deal. I think they just want you to either change Govs or cripple your prod with WW. Either way, disrupt your CIVs advance.

 

[Dogmouse]

Originally posted by FranciscoHernan
I cant believe no ones done this............. WELCOME TO CFC DOGMOUSE

Thank you all, for the responses, and the welcoming!

What a great place to hang out.


Cheers,

mouse

 

[Arathorn]

Raise the luxury tax. Don't lose units (e.g. use artillery and terrain to your advantage). Get peace ASAP. Trade for more luxuries. Definitely don't lose cities. Kill his units so he'll come to the table faster.

Arathorn

 

[wilbill]

Here's a link to a thread that explains how War Weariness works..

War Weariness

Actually, if you fought purely defensively, didn't move troops into the enemy's territory, and didn't loose many units, you shouldn't have big problems with WW. But Arathorn's suggestion is the obvious choice - use the lux slider to keep people happy and make peace asap.

 

[sealman]

MY first question was did you have luxaries coming in from the Incas? The loss of these luxaries might have been a big cause of the sudden disorder. If no trades with them, what about other civs where the trade route went through Inca lands?

Other than that, I can not fathom why you would experience ww so soon since you are the agressee not the agressor.

If you post a save, I am sure that some here would take a look and find the reasons.

 

[HalfBadger]

I think I heard somewhere that WW goes up if you lose a lot of units in your territory, this may be a reason, other than I'd just suggest checking out the link about war weariness and move the Luxury slider. Also if you are going for Scientific advance, shoulnd't your units be better upgraded than theirs and be able to pusht hem back easily?

 

[sealman]

Halfbadger: he said that he handled the attack easily. I take this as he did not lose any cities and very few units, compared to the Incas.

 

[jeem]

As a relative novice (old hand with CivII), this same phenomenon has really irritated me. I suppose it's the lack of realism. Someone attacks you, in real life, your citizenry is mobilized and activated. I've been interested to read the responses, but the bottom line is that the dang characteristic of the game is a booger.

 

[Padma]

Without more knowledge of what has gone before, and maybe a savegame, it is hard to say just what could be causing the unhappiness. Maybe he had an earlier war with the Incas, and captured some cities, or the cities Culture Flipped to him. Maybe he bought/captured Incan Workers, and joined them to his cities. In those cases, he would have large numbers of Incan citizens saying "Stop the aggression against our Mother Country!"

Sealman's point about Luxuries from, or going through, Incan lands is also a good point.

Maybe his cities were already overcrowded, and were just below the "Civil Disorder" breaking point, and the few losses he took pushed them over the edge.

Maybe he doesn't have enough Temples/Cathedrals/etc. built to help keep his people happy.

Maybe the Lux Slider is just set too low.

Maybe ... You can see how we really need more information to make a good suggestion.