Warless games

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Hi hello nice to meet you all

I have been playing Civ since the seminal game, and at times have craved a really peaceful game. Well, after more than 15 years of playing, I got one!

Playing Civ 4 Warlords, on Emperor difficulty, Archipelago snaky continents low water level, standard size, I played as Kublai Khan, other players being Ragnar, Shaka, Frederick, Mehmed II, Cyrus, and Augustus Ceasar. We were all on the same continent except Cyrus and Fred. I went for a culture win, especially as I had a nice easily defendable promontory. Thing is, I never needed to defend - there was not a single outbreak of violence (except against barbarians) until 1600ad, at which time there was a war between Cyrus and Frederick (bizarrely, the only island nations), which lasted until 1735. 27 turns of war. And that was it... I won a culture win about 1830, still amazed at the virtually bloodless game.

I imagine it was just an improbable balance of personalities, religions, cultural borders which resulted in this, but it was quite refreshing! Has anyone out there come across a totally warless game (under normal game rules)?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Welcome to CFC!

That's pretty rare especially with warlords expansion, and Shaka in there as well. Ragnar is usually a big warmonger too but he likes hereditary rule so he normally isn't hard to get on with.

Presumably you gifted techs and gave in to demands to keep the AI off your back...

 

[Turquoiside]

My most recent victory came as China with culture. Besides an early rush on those pompous Mongols, I never warred again. Though the world had scuffle where Mehmed was vasslized. Later, I think Frederick and Ramesees were attacked so the A.I. had wars. But I was virtually perfectly in harmony despire being Cautious with almost everyone and preparing my massively outdated Cho-ko-nus for the DoW.

But those harmonic games are, to me but possible not to others, one of the lighter experiencs tahat are pleasantly smooth. Until you have to nuke the guy launching his full ship a turn before you and march toward a desperate finish.

With the A.I.s you had, it is especially odd you got no wars. Just plain luck I guess. Though, you had a reasonably early enough victory. The World Wars that can come in the early 1900s while the nations build up in the 1800s are usually....big (Which I adore are visible in this game, makes gettting there mad fun even though I don't particulatly like wars.)

 

[Molybdeus]

You can't avoid other people declaring war on you, and will sometimes have to go to war in the late early game (if that makes sense) to secure important resources like iron.

 

[Turquoiside]

To be blunt, that isn't true. Good diplomacy and non-aggresive border blocking build relations. if you play diplomacy right, you can have Shaka on your side in the B.C. years. Again, and iron would not be needed if you do this well enough to keep secured neighbors and was going on in distant lands.

 

[Lord N.]

Hi and welcome!

In my first BtS game (Hanibal, Noble) i had peace until 1940, when I was attacked by 3 civs. After that, the game turned into a total war, and ended with nuclear armagedon.

Eventually I lost that game because Asoka, my vassal, achieved a cultural victory.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I won a Noble game last year where I didn't go to war, which was quite unusual at the time because I always got DoWed back then. But it was even weirder that I won a space race without having to defend at all.

I have, however, turned into a big meanie...

 

[Xellos-_^]

peace? NEVER, the only peace i give to the AI is the peace at the end of my spear.

 

[Deckhand]

Some of these replies discuss our experience playing through a game without war. the OP had a game with only one AI-AI war in addition to his lack of war. I think the question was
have you ever played a game in which No nation went to war.

Has anyone out there come across a totally warless game?

not I

Let's see, maybe you could do this by selecting peaceful and/or religious leaders, get all the religions, and spread only one.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I think the question was
have you ever played a game in which No nation went to war.

Um, in that case, my answer is yes. But I didn't win the game and I can't recall the exact circumstances now because of that. It might have been a game at Warlord level, but yes, there were no wars at all.

 

[Xellos-_^]

Some of these replies discuss our experience playing through a game without war. the OP had a game with only one AI-AI war in addition to his lack of war. I think the question was
have you ever played a game in which No nation went to war.

not I

Let's see, maybe you could do this by selecting peaceful and/or religious leaders, get all the religions, and spread only one.

can't, the religion auto spread.

Um, in that case, my answer is yes. But I didn't win the game and I can't recall the exact circumstances now because of that. It might have been a game at Warlord level, but yes, there were no wars at all.

did you push the perm peace option?

 

[Molybdeus]

To be blunt, that isn't true. Good diplomacy and non-aggresive border blocking build relations. if you play diplomacy right, you can have Shaka on your side in the B.C. years. Again, and iron would not be needed if you do this well enough to keep secured neighbors and was going on in distant lands.

You can easily get one AI on your side, but can you really do it with EVERY AI?

I've had games where three civs on one continent never went to war, but never with four or more on the same continent.

 

[Rusty Edge]

I've never seen Shaka hold his temper for the entire game. Never. I'm amazed.

I once won a time victory without ever going to WAR, just to see if I could, and to build my skills.

The A.I.s did fight each other. I was really proud of my diplomatic prowess, as I thought that was more difficult to achieve than a diplomatic victory. The computer, however, thought I was too timid and christened me "DanQuayle".

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I won a culture victory on immortal in one of the recent LHC games...nary a war declared by me or on me.

 

[Turquoiside]

I've never seen Shaka hold his temper for the entire game. Never. I'm amazed.

Oh, he doesn't. But when I said that I was refrencing he can hold his temper on YOU if you play him well enough. I can't imagine Shaka not doing it to anyone else.

You don't need EVERY A.I. on your side. I've had games keeping everyone at 'Pleased' or 'Friendly' that weren't tried at Diplomatic wins. Though in one I was invaded by a guy who I was too leinent with and I needed to destroy anyway.

 

[binhthuy71]

There's always the Apostolic Palace to screw things up. In a recent game I shared a continent with Toku, Genghis and Pacal. I'm working on my diplo skills and had all three Pleased toward me. Up comes a AP Resolution to declare war on Toku. Not wanting to be at war with anyone at that point I voted "Never." Whoops: next turn I wasn't at war with Toku - just Genghis and Pacal. Re-learning the game after a long time away is, um, instructive.

 

[IAM]

On huge crowded maps once about half the civs have bronze working there is a war going on somewhere just about all the time. So I have not played a peaceful game... or is that peacefool.

 

[Elite]

There's the easy way for peace: click on the "always peace" option in the setup menu.

 

[T.A JONES]

I like this headline: Warless Civ. IM tired of slayin millons of civlins to unite the world with one leader. Whats the tole to my civ karma level for this?


OK, but besides a smooth slip into the Age of Aquarius where global Consciousness emits a joined brainwave of only peace and love for mankind, how can it be done. ; )

Well civ4 is the mod king so mybe the someone can mod this in as special 2012 'Space race' kind of victory. Heh, other then that we can say cultural win is good for hippie players