You sure about that? I'm currently in a game where: - Spain settles near lands that I coveted, declared war on her and took their capitol and two other cities (that I burned to the ground), leaving her with one city. - After the war with Spain I decommission my entire army, bringing my military rank to the lowest. Carthaginian's leader Dido declares war on Spain, takes her last city and then declares war on me. I take that puppeted city and burn it and took another city for good measure and burned it. - After about 50 turns Babylon the runaway declares war on me. After being defensive for about another 50 turns (and refusing peace a couple of times) I liberated a city state captured by Babylon, burn a small city he created and took and annexed his capitol as well as two other fairly sizable cities. Right now: Spain is deaded by me and Dido. Siam is deaded by Babylon. Arabia is hanging by a thread (Dido and Babylon are harassing him), he doesn't find me a warmonger but doesn't like me either. Greece is huge and a runaway, he doesn't find me a warmonger and absolutely loves me for some reason. The Inca are huge, getting beaten by Greece, he doesn't find me a warmonger also loves me. Dido used to despise me prior to our war and after it but at the moment is my strongest ally. (And doesn't find me a warmonger.) The only one that is openly against me is Babylon at this point, but everybody else hates him for being the previous runaway. I've taken the most cities and capitols, yet nobody really hates me. Even though I had one of the smallest armies pre-Babylon war.