Was Muscovy and hence the Empire of Russia, merely another Mongol successor state?

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Some Russian historians tend to sideline Mongol influence in the period of the "Tartar Yoke", and see the Muscovite state as a product of Kievan Rus and Byzantium. Other scholars like Ostrowski, like Vernadsky and like Jaroslaw Pelenski have pointed out that the structure of the Muscovite state was very similar to that of the Kipchak Khanate of Sarai (the Golden Horde), and that it shared more institutional structures with the Mongol states than with either the Byzantine, the western or the Kievan states. The fact is that Muscowy was ruled by from Sarai and broke away just like the Kazan, Crimean and Astrakhan Khanates, and, like them, should be considered as another Mongol successor state, rather than or just as much as a breakaway state of Kievan Vladimir-Suzdal.

Is this then one of the greatest legacies of the Mongols, the Russian Empire?

Tell me what you think...:goodjob:
 
Russia shows Mongol influence to a great extent. The Mongols ruled for close to 300 years, if I'm not mistaken. While they ruled, they cut all ties to the Byzantines and the rest of the West. Moscow became the center of Russia only because it wasn't obliterated by the Mongols like every other major city. The reason was because Moscow was surrounded by thick forest, and it would have been costly to send cavalry through. So the Mongols just had them pay tribute; which they did for centuries. People flocked there to escape the devastation of their own cities, and Muscovy grew in prominence. Ivan I (Known as Kalita or Moneybags) was the first to challenge the Mongol yoke by taxing his people a little heavier and keeping the extra money. This was to slowly build up a secret treasury so that one day his people could overthrow the Mongols. Ivan the Great ended the Mongol domination by refusing to pay tribute, and Ivan the Terrible took out Kazan, a Mongol stronghold.

The Mongols did leave their mark. Mongol methods of levying taxes, recruiting soldiers, and harsh administration of justice were adopted by the Russians. Also, the harsh rule made the Russians afraid and distrusting of foreigners, which still exists today. Also, fashion, architecture, and customs were Mongol or Chinese via the Mongols in origin until the days of Peter the Great.
 
This is a controversial issue indeed. There exists no concensus among historians regarding the role of the Mongols in Russian history, even when you consider the fact that the Mongols wielded influence over the Russians for almost 250 years. In Russian circles, it is the tradition to repudiate and downplay the Mongol influence on Russian history. This was the ruling consensus until the 1920s when especially Russian émigré intellectuals with their so-called Eurasian school of thought. As the name suggests, the Eurasianists proclaimed that Russia history has its ties predominantly in Asia (i.e., from the Mongols.) and that the "Mongol yoke" as the Russians like to call the Mongol dominion brought positive change to Russia. Their theories are doubtful, because they far more biased than the remaining majority of historians (they're often associated with Soviet historians and many Eurasianists made careers in the Soviet secret police).

Consequently, I would say that it's important bearing this in mind when analyzing Mongol impact on Russian society.

No one can deny that the Mongol invasion from 1237-1240 brought wholesale destruction to Russia. On their way through Russia, the Mongols brought unprecedented carnage and devastation to a society advancing far beyond what the Mongols had ever achieved. Nevertheless, the Russian society and its population were completely exterminated. To quote a papal legate and archbishop of the time, Giovanni da Plano Carpini:

"...they went against Russia and enacted a great massacre in the Russian land, they destroyed towns and fortresses and killed people, they besieged Kiev which had been the capital of Russia, and after a long siege they took it and killed the inhabitants of the city; for this reason, when we passed through that land, we found lying in the field countless heads of bones of dead people; for this city had been extremely large and very populous, whereas now it has been reduced to nothing; barely two hundred houses stand there, and those people are held in the harshest slavery." [Riasanovsky, Nicholas, A History of Russia, OUP, 2000, p. 72].

This very aptly describes the magnitude of the destruction waged on Russia and its people. And this destruction, it is estimated, might very likely have set back the development of Russia by 150-200 years. Some even contend that had the Mongols not invaded and occupied the country, it might very likely have been able to take part in events such a the Renaissance and the Reformation. I agree with Rabid Pop Tart that the Mongol yoke likely spurred some of the features of the Russian national character. I think it generally induced some harshness and tenacity into the "public spirit", and who knows how the Russians would have handled WWII without the experiences of their forefathers? Whether all this is positive is, of course, subject to discussion, and it will hardly ever be substatiated further to what extent the Mongols shaped the Russian national character.

One of the substantial, "positive" Mongol contributions to Russian society and culture is its influence on the Russian language. E.g., the words деньги (money) and ярлык (label, tag) derive from Mongolian. The Mongols generally had a profound impact on the Russian language and culture.
Moreover, it can argued that the Mongols also had an impact on later Russian military tactics and evolution of the Russian military, especially the cavalry. However, people often mix up the fact that Russian appanage warfare based on ordinary foot soldiers was a Mongol trait. Instead, this derives from Kievan Russia. But again, the "positive" aspects of the Mongol yoke are limited.

Lastly, it is importatant to appraise the fundamental differences between Russians and Mongols. While Mongols were primitve nomads, excelling only in warfare, the Russians compared, were highly developed agrarians with a set of laws often considered to be ahead of its time. Some, especially the Eurasianists, like to compare the influence of the Mongols on Russia with the Arab influence of Europe - this, nevertheless, is hardly true at all. When you look at the other Mongol states - its dynasty in China which lasted roughly 100 years, the Mongol dynasty in Persia which lasted from 1256 to 1344, and the Mongol Central Asiatic state lasting only around 128 years. The common denominators of all these states are corruption, instability, and inferior statecraft And in Russia, they never even established their own dynasty, instead they acted as overlords. Muscovy was not a state based on a Mongolian model, rather a combination of Byzantine and Kievan statecraft.
 
I agree with Rabid Pop Tart that...

Now there's a statement one doesn't read too often...

Stunning posts from everyone. Interesting question, Calgacus. I'm only going to add a couple small points. Imagine - I'm going to be the shortest post in the thread! :D

Nixon is quite correct that the level of Mongol "penetration" of Russian culture and society is widely debated. It is quite popular in Poland to compare the Russians to Mongols, but well we may be a bit biased on that point. One historian though has pointed out that while the initial Mongol "contact" with Russian society was extreme and violent - refer to Nixon's portayal - the Mongol empire did not long afterwards survive and the succeeding scattered khanates along the southern Russian periphery increasingly resorted to periodic raids for spoils and demands for tribute but interfered less and less in Russian affairs. It may be a misnomer to claim that Russia was "ruled" by Mongols or Tartars for c. 250 years. Russian city-states re-formed, Russian rulers arose, Russian economic activity resurrected, all while under the Mongol/Tartar "yoke". To be sure, tributes had to be paid, soldiers had to supplied on demand, but the Mongols and Tartars almost immediately after their spectacular destruction of the old Rus cities began to allow them to rebuild, both their buildings and their old socio-economic structures. The point is that when Mongol overlordship ended officially in 1480, there was no cataclysmic change like in 1917 or 1991; by then Mongol overlordship had become little more than Muscovite lipservice to the Khan of the Crimea. The Russian state already existed, with a fully developed and functional political and economic structure.

This makes it more difficult to really gauge what impact the Mongols have truly had on Russian society.

Taking another tact though, I've similarly heard it said that Mexico is really the first "Native American" state, where a thin veneer of foreign rulership (i.e., Spaniards) helped organize the first structures but were by sheer numbers surpassed by the local natives who eventually suffused into the state structures and system, effectively taking over the state. Not by force or intent so much as a sort of socio-ethnic osmosis. I do not know nearly enough about Mexican history to comment on that but I've heard similar descriptions of the "re-founding" of Russia after the Mongol onslaught of the 13th century.

I'm not very convinced by this last argument but it is interesting, and would require a detailed dissection of Russian political structures prior to and after the Mongol invasions.
 
Originally posted by Vrylakas
It may be a misnomer to claim that Russia was "ruled" by Mongols or Tartars for c. 250 years. Russian city-states re-formed, Russian rulers arose, Russian economic activity resurrected, all while under the Mongol/Tartar "yoke". To be sure, tributes had to be paid, soldiers had to supplied on demand, but the Mongols and Tartars almost immediately after their spectacular destruction of the old Rus cities began to allow them to rebuild, both their buildings and their old socio-economic structures. The point is that when Mongol overlordship ended officially in 1480, there was no cataclysmic change like in 1917 or 1991; by then Mongol overlordship had become little more than Muscovite lipservice to the Khan of the Crimea. The Russian state already existed, with a fully developed and functional political and economic structure.
I believe this was, in large part, due to the semi-autonomous rule of Juchi, Khan of the Golden Horde, and later his sons Batu and Birkai. Juchi has often been portrayed as Temujin's bastard son. He was born to Bortai (Genghis Khan's wife) while she was a hostage of the Naiman tribe. Because Genghis could never be sure of his eldest son's true lineage, he was treated differently than his brothers, Chagatai, Ogadai, and Tului. He was also denied an equal share in his father's inheritance. Juchi dreamed of carving out an empire for himself in the west, independent of (or at least with minimal interference by) the Khakhans in the east. He resented any attempts by his brothers to assert their authority (an authority he thought was rightfully his, as the eldest). Many historians see Juchi as ruthless, but ambitious. He believed in an empire that used the people of the cities to provide him with supplies, recruits, and wealth. He did not support the destruction of the cities, but rather wanted to draw tribute and obedience from them.
 
Originally posted by Cuchullain
I believe this was, in large part, due to the semi-autonomous rule of Juchi, Khan of the Golden Horde, and later his sons Batu and Birkai.
Jochi had passed away before the Golden Horde was formed - it was Batu who led the conquest of the Rus lands and formed the khanate in question. ;)

Juchi has often been portrayed as Temujin's bastard son. He was born to Bortai (Genghis Khan's wife) while she was a hostage of the Naiman tribe.
The Merkits I believe, not the Naimans.

Because Genghis could never be sure of his eldest son's true lineage, he was treated differently than his brothers, Chagatai, Ogadai, and Tului. He was also denied an equal share in his father's inheritance.
GK didn't bother with parentage (in the harsh steppe world, parentage was of little issue, compared with the daily struggle for livelihood) and he actually wanted to make Jochi the next Great Khan. However Jochi was bashful and proud and rubbed people the wrong way, so the Mongol lords wanted the more tempered Ogodei to become Great Khan.

The Great Khan was elected, sort of. ;)

Juchi dreamed of carving out an empire for himself in the west, independent of (or at least with minimal interference by) the Khakhans in the east. He resented any attempts by his brothers to assert their authority (an authority he thought was rightfully his, as the eldest).
Jochi was given the westernmost lands as his 'hearthland' as per Mongol customs for the eldest to inherit lands furthest away fr the father's original hearthland.

Which was why Tolui, the youngest, gotten Mongolia itself. ;)

Many historians see Juchi as ruthless, but ambitious. He believed in an empire that used the people of the cities to provide him with supplies, recruits, and wealth. He did not support the destruction of the cities, but rather wanted to draw tribute and obedience from them.
I think this is a general characteristic of the Mongol conquests, rather than peculiar to Jochi. ;)
 
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