Washington D.C. and Mexico City legalize same-sex marriage and adoption,

[Karalysia]

A divided government is a worthless government. I don't want a government so hamstrung it can't get anything done. It's bad enough as it is, but I have no desire to return to the Clinton era. I support absolute Democratic control of all branches of the government, the House, Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS.

Best way to achieve permanent Democratic majorities would be to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states, and give voting representatives to the US Virgin Island, and the random islands we own in the Pacific. Then once immigration reform is passed fast track immigrants to citizenship. There are 11 million illegals by conservative estimates. That's millions of votes right there, largely in Southern states shifting the balance of power in favor of the Democrats. By 2030 we'll likley be a majority/minority country. Permanet Democratic majorities become a reality.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Or is it just we furries making the roads weird when we walk upon them?

Only when you're in costume.

Alternatively, we moderates.

Roads are one thing where bipartisanship is good and useful.

But now I get why the chicken crossed the road. Events in her life made her change her perspective on her political viewpoints.

 

[Tani Coyote]

A divided government is a worthless government.

That or less capable of doing something that is a. harmful, or b. will be regretted soon, as hasty action is less likely.

I don't want a government so hamstrung it can't get anything done.

Oh me neither. I just don't want a government so monopolised one side might as well not be in there.

It's bad enough as it is, but I have no desire to return to the Clinton era. I support absolute Democratic control of all branches of the government, the House, Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS.

And I support putting fiscal conservatives into power wherever they can take control of spending, and putting social liberals into power where they can best implement the necessary social reforms such as gay marriage and strike down such ridiculous legislation as DOMA.

Good sir, I propose we resolve this debate the same way I proposed Arnie and Pierce resolve theirs: we wrestle with only the bare essentials on. Whoever is victorious decides whether government shall be unified or divided upon itself.

I know I have a fairly wicked body slam. All those cheeseburgers had at least some benefit! ...even if I did once end up suffocating one or two people.

Only when you're in costume.

I certainly would wear the costume more if it granted me super speed on the road.

But now I get why the chicken crossed the road. Events in her life made her change her perspective on her political viewpoints.

...Precisely! Though I am not a chicken.

Unless you are what you eat, in which case I would be, since I always order chicken at any restaurant; I have a taste in chicken.

 

[Karalysia]

My plan will actually become a reality. Your's wont.

Best way to achieve permanent Democratic majorities would be to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states, and give voting representatives to the US Virgin Island, and the random islands we own in the Pacific. Then once immigration reform is passed fast track immigrants to citizenship. There are 11 million illegals by conservative estimates. That's millions of votes right there, largely in Southern states shifting the balance of power in favor of the Democrats. By 2030 we'll likley be a majority/minority country. Permanet Democratic majorities become a reality.

 

[Tani Coyote]

My plan will actually become a reality. Your's wont.

Hispanics are also known for tending to be social conservative as much as fiscally liberal. You wouldn't end up with a left-wing government, just socially conservative people who believed in a welfare state.

Well... it's half a victory!

...now you know how I feel whenever one party gets into power. I need PR.

Or would you use the expanded welfare state to steadily dissolve religious belief, and therefore, much of social conservatism? If so, you are quite diabolical. I approve, even if I don't agree.

 

[Elta]

Latinos and Mexicans in particular are not really conservative.

They might be conservative at home, but when it comes down to it they just want the government out of their business.

Just look at the ****storm when the house of deputies ban that Molotov album.

 

[GhostWriter16]

A divided government is a worthless government. I don't want a government so hamstrung it can't get anything done. It's bad enough as it is, but I have no desire to return to the Clinton era. I support absolute Democratic control of all branches of the government, the House, Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS.

Best way to achieve permanent Democratic majorities would be to make D.C. and Puerto Rico states, and give voting representatives to the US Virgin Island, and the random islands we own in the Pacific. Then once immigration reform is passed fast track immigrants to citizenship. There are 11 million illegals by conservative estimates. That's millions of votes right there, largely in Southern states shifting the balance of power in favor of the Democrats. By 2030 we'll likley be a majority/minority country. Permanet Democratic majorities become a reality.

Luckily most people don't agree with you.

This would be awful if it were reality.

 

[NovaKart]

I don't have the patience to read every post so maybe someone else has said this.

Anyway,

Whether or not marriage is a right is kind of irrelevant. There's no reason to deny gay people the right to marry. And it's still discrimination. Having a driver's license isn't a right either but if you're denying someone a license because he has brown hair or is left-handed then that is discrimination.

Some gay couples are from 2 different countries and they're not able to stay together because of visa issues. It majorly affects some people's lives.

A gay man has the right to marry a woman so he has the same rights as everyone else? That's pretty laughable. What's the point of marrying someone you're not sexually attracted to?

Being denied the "right" , or whatever you want to call it, to marry isn't as bad as other forms of discrimination, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't fight for it. People act like just because they don't want to throw gay people under the bus it means they're tolerant.

Last thing: I don't like the raunchy behaviour of some gay rights protesters either, it embarrases me. It shouldn't reflect on all gay people and it shouldn't take away from the cause. If I say I'm in favor of the Iraq War because of some idiot protesters who get naked and spell out "no war" in a field then it's me who's the idiot.

 

[Elta]

Luckily most people don't agree with you.

This would be awful if it were reality.

It's going to happen either way if the GOP doesn't get their act together.




I would not be one bit surprised by 12 more years of DEM control in both houses and the Presidency.

 

[Karalysia]

Hispanics are also known for tending to be social conservative as much as fiscally liberal. You wouldn't end up with a left-wing government, just socially conservative people who believed in a welfare state.

Well... it's half a victory!

...now you know how I feel whenever one party gets into power. I need PR.

Or would you use the expanded welfare state to steadily dissolve religious belief, and therefore, much of social conservatism? If so, you are quite diabolical. I approve, even if I don't agree.

How does welfare state dissolve religous belief? The only thing I would do to religon would be to strip it of tax exemption. Those welfare queens can pay tax like everyone else. And of course establish strict French style secularism. Remove god from the pledge of alliegence, the currency, 10 commandments from court houses and other such public displays of faith, xmas trees included.

Once the Democratic Party has a permanet majority I'd like to see the party split into 2 branches.

A Liberal/Progressive/Social Democratic branch, and a Labor/Socialist/Communists/Left Anarchist branch

And another party being a Classical Liberal/Libertarian one.

With the Republicans being relegated into some sort of fascist party which no one votes for and may or may not be banned.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Latinos and Mexicans in particular are not really conservative.

They might be conservative at home, but when it comes down to it they just want the government out of their business.

So they're similar to VRWCAgent, but are fiscal liberals instead of fiscal conservatives.

This might explain why they vote Demmy then...

Though I do know Republicans regularly try to curry favor with the social conservative Hispanics.

...but then immediately destroy that favor with immigration laws. Single-issue voters are made of epic fail win.

How does welfare state dissolve religous belief?

I have no idea. Apparently welfare dissolves all that is morally wholesome about society - stable marriages, strong families, church membership, etc.

..Wait what?

The only thing I would do to religon would be to strip it of tax exemption. Those welfare queens can pay tax like everyone else. And of course establish strict French style secularism. Remove god from the pledge of alliegence, the currency, 10 commandments from court houses and other such public displays of faith, xmas trees included.

Aww... no state enforced atheism? What kind of Commie are you?

Once the Democratic Party has a permanet majority I'd like to see the party split into 2 branches.

A Liberal/Progressive/Social Democratic branch, and a Labor/Socialist/Communists/Left Anarchist branch

And another party being a Classical Liberal/Libertarian one.

With the Republicans being relegated into some sort of fascist party which no one votes for and may or may not be banned.

So a three-party system: All Socially left, but varying on fiscal and foreign policy.

What is this. I agree with you. What.

I've agreed too much with Cheezy today, and now with you?

I understand I'm using an avatar involving other dimensions, but this is rapidly getting insane.

 

[GhostWriter16]

So they're similar to VRWCAgent, but are fiscal liberals instead of fiscal conservatives.

This might explain why they vote Demmy then...

Though I do know Republicans regularly try to curry favor with the social conservative Hispanics.

...but then immediately destroy that favor with immigration laws. Single-issue voters are made of epic fail win.



I have no idea. Apparently welfare dissolves all that is morally wholesome about society - stable marriages, strong families, church membership, etc.

..Wait what?



Aww... no state enforced atheism? What kind of Commie are you?



So a three-party system: All Socially left, but varying on fiscal and foreign policy.

What is this. I agree with you. What.

I've agreed too much with Cheezy today, and now with you?

I understand I'm using an avatar involving other dimensions, but this is rapidly getting insane.

You can't legislate what parties can exist. If we were going to do that, Karalysia would be arrested.

I still don't think we should do that though. People have a right to be insane.

 

[Elta]

*So they're similar to VRWCAgent, but are fiscal liberals instead of fiscal conservatives.

This might explain why they vote Demmy then...

Though I do know Republicans regularly try to curry favor with the social conservative Hispanics.

...but then immediately destroy that favor with immigration laws. Single-issue voters are made of epic fail win.

*Not exactly, in Mexico the PAN and PRD are the main two parties now.

VRWC would fit in really good with the PAN party.

The PRD are slightly to the right of the U.S. Democratic party, except when it comes to the environment they are WAY to the left.

I should note however 70% of people under 30 vote PRD and over 65% of people over 50 vote PAN.

So the country is moving to the left and young people are much more liberal than older people.

The Rural-Urban split is just like in the U.S. Rural vote PAN, Urban vote PRD.

And just like in the U.S., women are more Liberal then men by 10% or so.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I also am against Gay marriage for various reasons

I'll ask again, name one non-religious reason.

Evolution has no proof, and I'd like to see scientific proof of it.

Could you explain what Evolution is to me?

To see whether we're on the same page.