It should've been if we go back far enough - maybe it was just never switched over as it was supposed to be from the super super old original system that it started with.
Well then it was probably removed before SVN was created, as earliest handicap infos with property (Crime) is from SVN 3608.
The year 2014 not the svn version 2014 right?
Yeah, year 2014.
There is 80 something crimes and 13*4 = 52 educations - 13 negative, positive education levels for all cities and ones, that are for capital only (adjusting anarchy times).
What's your point in relation to the Diseases being needed to be tied to handicaps. Quite frankly I'm not in the camp of wanting Crimes tied to handicaps. But I did not make the Crime system Hydro did. And then came AIAndy with the Property system and all things went bananas afterwards.
Eh that was nitpick that is we have more individual crimes than education pseudobuildings.
Yes I know. I was here all along. I even asked hydro when he introduced Crime into the Mod if it would end up dominating the Mod. He said no. Guess what It dominated the mod.
How many diseases vs crimes there are has nothing to do with it. The scale works the same for law enforcement units and disease control units so why shouldn't it work the same through handicaps, based on population, since it's a reflection of the amount of infrastructure for addressing issues that the property really represents.
Education was introduced pretty close to the same as it is now.
I'm not sure what you're trying to defend but the fact disease doesn't go off of a handicap has always been problematic from my pov because it means that it doesn't match the parallel of control strength that is applied via crime control. One thing that makes disease EASIER to control is that there are very few buildings that add to it whereas there are a lot of crime buildings that add to crime. That said, on both properties, there are generally buildings to counter the ones that add the property, though you'd need less healers than crime control because there are quite a few buildings that reduce disease and hardly any that add to it.
IMO it doesn't make sense that pollution gives disease at all. Since when does air pollution make it more likely for bacteria or viruses to spread? If anything it might decrease disease... Sure it should increase unhealth but it's the very definition of NON-disease driven unhealth and what helps to show what unhealth actually is, the whole spectrum of causes for reduced lifespans.
. Watching all your and your neighbours cities reduced to the square root of their current population is a big shock. It only happens once in the game and it simulated what happened when diseases which are old in one continent get spread to a new continent. Another disease affected just troops in and near war zones. Mostly those in the field and large stacks in cities. Peace had to be declared because there were not enough troops to continue.I guess you wanted to add disease to handicaps in SVN, but you forgot to do it - no version of handicap infos had diseases in it.
We don't play the same game if you believe what you just said. "Very few buildings that add to it"??? No you are so wrong. And it's not just buildings ie Regular buildings, that have it attached.
Correct. And Disease has made a huge impact on gameplay with Out the "need" for it to be attached to handicap levels. Please T-brd let this go! The Mod just does not need it.
Pollution probably always did that.
I just went through all regular buildings a few weeks ago looking for buildings that generate disease, and compared to crime, there were only some 12 disease sourcing buildings vs 50+ crime sourcing buildings. I'm not talking about other sources but I think in terms of other sources, crime is equally matched elsewhere in general. Mind you, I don't actually have a clear view of where crime IS coming from right now so if someone would give us a breakdown of the sources that currently exist, I'd love that. I also understand there's more than just regular buildings out there. I'm not including autobuilds in this.
Pollution should have no effect on crime, disease, or education. What's the justification? How does less clean air, in terms of chemicals and particulates, create more airborne disease? There's a little logic I can see here but only minimal - there ARE some bacteria that would appreciate having so many particles in the air to travel on and the weakening of the body due to pollution can make it more vulnerable, though that should be WHY unhealth should be a souce of disease itself. But how would it create crime? Does the air we breath influence our access to a good education?
It IS a feedback loop and that makes it more clear in concept. The only lack of clarity seems to be that we cannot agree that unhealth is just a generic measure of resistance to life - an increase in mortality rates and a decrease in birth rates. The sources OF unhealth are what are being divided into various properties and other influences.
So when was it that crime was made to be based on the handicap? It was my understanding disease was done the same at that time.
Well I was referencing more insidious side of pollution
In SVN 3608 Aiandy added crime to handicaps.
<PropertySource>
<PropertySourceType>PROPERTYSOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_CONSTANT</PropertySourceType>
<PropertyType>PROPERTY_DISEASE</PropertyType>
<GameObjectType>GAMEOBJECT_CITY</GameObjectType>
<AttributeType>ATTRIBUTE_POPULATION</AttributeType>
<iAmountPerTurn>1</iAmountPerTurn>
</PropertySource>I suppose through that argument there could be a bit of crime and ed penalty at lvl 3. It does make a bit of sense.
So there is a base of 1 per turn per population in all cities. That's it, no modifier for handicap is what you're saying? There is a scaling up for crime but it was never done for Disease? I take it Crime's base is also defined as 1 per turn per pop and then its just scaled up with handicaps then? I had always thought that Handicap infos defined the base. I didn't realize that in PropertyInfos there were PropertySource entries that setup the base. Interesting. It's the sort of thing I haven't interacted with much and when I did AI Andy was around to help guide the process. With so little interactive practice with it, I later forgot some things about its base setup. Still, I have to believe that eventually disease would get far easier than crime to manage and they are supposed to be equally tough. That said, I can see why Joseph would want to keep it easier for now because the units aren't quite strong enough with their property control base levels yet to keep cities from having to have too many to support them. If brought under better balance, then it would only make sense to have Disease mirror crime on the difficulty settings. Even that may have to get toned down a little if we do the happiness/healthiness modifiers to crime and disease rates. Your previous suggestion on how to do that was spot on imo.
