Moderator Action: Moved from this thread. Right, thanks, makes good sense. Nothing to do with the Scottish Picts being real tough warriors? Another question: Recently NASA has confirmed that there's evidence that a large body of water, an ocean, once existed on Mars. Any further information or hypothesis on this subject? Since there was an ocean there, as well as rivers and lakes, then there must have been life, or not? When did they bodies of water disappear(evaporate?), any approximate dating of that happening? Was it quite sudden, or a gradual process? I guess I will have to wait until the Europeans come up with new findings, can't really count on NASA to do much, by now they should have landed on the red planet, visited the most interesting sites, dug and drilled in it's soil for answers. If NASA could land their astronauts on the Moon decades ago, why didn't they make a more determined effort to land on Mars after that accomplishment? I bet Mars still holds secrets that might further alter what our brilliant scientists demand are the only possible explanation of what happened in the past, both there on Mars and here on Earth. A few years ago they maintained that Mars never had such large (Atlantic Ocean comparable in size) bodies of water, ever, in it's history. For centuries people/"scientists"-or wise men (clergy) believed and told all others to believe that the Earth was flat as well.