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Waterboarding

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Patricman, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Patricman

    Patricman Hepatologist/liver doctor

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    Back in 2003 the U.S. Government issued memo's to the CIA that allowed the use of waterboarding to get terrorist leaders to give information. The CIA was concerned that the U.S. Government had given no support for this tactic and requested it in writing, even though in 2002 it had been written off. The details are here: http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081015/NEWS03/810150343 and in other articles circulating.

    I am disappointed that the U.S. government kept this secret from the people for so many years. It seemed that the media had gotten the upper hand in convincing them that waterboarding is "inhumane" or other descriptions like that. Even though it was still going on in prisons. :eek: And now I would imagine that the rest of the Americans are, allow me to use this term, flipping out, over what they have just found out. What do you guys think about all of this?
     
  2. Bigfoot3814

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    Wait, are you saying waterboarding is good or bad?
     
  3. Patricman

    Patricman Hepatologist/liver doctor

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    personally I believe its good, but I'm not really trying to voice my opinion in this.
     
  4. JeffIllinois

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    The California republican party wants Obama waterboarded.
     
  5. fishjie

    fishjie omghi2u

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    i have mad respect for christopher hitchens, who after experienced water boarding, changed his stance *for* it to *against* it. he got owned by water boarding and was man enough to admit it.
     
  6. Patricman

    Patricman Hepatologist/liver doctor

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    If that person got owned, then wouldn't the terrorists get owned too? Then it would provide us with more information on terrorist groups, which for the safety of americans is very helpful for our own protection! and I mean come on, are they acting "humane"with the prisoners they take?
     
  7. Bigfoot3814

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    I think we ought to hold ourselves to higher standards than terrorists.
     
  8. Tycoon101

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    I hear that Hawaiians like to waterboard on days with big waves.
     
  9. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Have you ever heard of "human rights" and the concept that they apply to everyone?
     
  10. .Shane.

    .Shane. Take it like a voter Retired Moderator

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    Gotta love the guy w/ the "come to Christ" stuff in his signature wants to torture people. GG dude, way to make Jesus proud.
     
  11. JollyRoger

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    No, they give us what they think we want to hear. Consider someone who has no information. They will make something up just to stop the waterboarding.

    By the way, who would Jesus waterboard?
     
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    Maybe we should waterboard current and former members of the Executive, get to the bottom of this whole war-under-false-pretenses thing once and for all. Surely that would be a good enough justification if anything is.
     
  13. .Shane.

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    Well, some of them are war criminals and we know how the US feels about applying the Geneva Convention to those types of people.
     
  14. Shylock

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    Funny for a devout Christian to support kidnapping people and torturing them. :mischief:
     
  15. Patricman

    Patricman Hepatologist/liver doctor

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    capturing people who have harmed or hurt others and torturing them. not just random people. :p And Jesus does believe in taking revenge. he says it in the bible. and there have been PLENTY of harsh Christian people in the past. :lol:
     
  16. Bigfoot3814

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    Name that passage.
     
  17. Patricman

    Patricman Hepatologist/liver doctor

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    Look at Nahum 1:2. there is a better one, but I cant think of it right now.
     
  18. Bigfoot3814

    Bigfoot3814 Chieftain

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    That's Old Testament bub, not Jesus.

    "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

    Matthew 6:2 38-39

    "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends his rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

    Matthew 6:2 43-45

    I'm no theologian, but based on that I wouldn't call Jesus a big fan of revenge.
     
  19. Patricman

    Patricman Hepatologist/liver doctor

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    Psalm 52: 5-8 though, says

    "5 Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin:
    He will snatch you up and tear you from your tent;
    he will uproot you from the land of the living.
    Selah [talking the the evil person]

    6 The righteous will see and fear;
    they will laugh at him, saying,

    7 "Here now is the man
    who did not make God his stronghold
    but trusted in his great wealth
    and grew strong by destroying others!"

    8 But I am like an olive tree
    flourishing in the house of God;
    I trust in God's unfailing love
    for ever and ever. "

    The Lord does intend to take revenge on people. and Jesus and the Lord are the same thing, part of the holy trinity. BTW are theological discussions allowed on the OT?
     
  20. Bigfoot3814

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    Yes they are. As a matter of fact, there's an "Ask a Theologian" thread, and I think It'd be a good idea to take this up there.
     

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