We Want You In The Immigrant Army

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To help in the fight against your own people:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7891222.stm

The United States army is to accept immigrants with temporary US visas, for the first time since the Vietnam war, according to the New York Times.

Until now immigrants have had to have permanent residency - a "green card" - in order to qualify for the services.

But those with temporary visas will be offered accelerated citizenship if they enrol, the Times says.

The Pentagon hopes the scheme will cover shortages in areas like medical care and language interpretation.

Many temporary immigrants will have been granted visas on the basis of their education or skills, so the defence department expects the new recruits to be more qualified than applicants who are US citizens - and in particular to have languages useful in combat zones like Afghanistan and Iraq.

"The American army finds itself in a lot of different countries where cultural awareness is critical," said Lt-Gen Benjamin C Freakley, the top recruitment officer for the army.

"There will be some very talented folks in this group," he told the New York Times.

"The army will gain in its strength in human capital, and the immigrants will gain their citizenship and get on a ramp to the American dream."

Opposition from veterans

The Times said the scheme could cut the time a temporary resident had to wait for a green card from up to 10 years to as little as six months.

The programme will be limited to 1,000 enlistees in its first year, but if successful could be spread to other services and expanded. It could eventually provide the army with one in six of its recruits, the Times said.

Army recruiters say their job has become easier in recent months as unemployment has risen in the US. But even so, they regret having had to turn away many immigrants because they had only temporary residency.

However, the Times said there appeared to be some opposition from officers and veterans, who expressed concern that some foreigners might have divided loyalties or be terrorists seeking to infiltrate the US armed services.

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Good point. How many innocent people does each one need to torture to become an upstanding US citizen?
 
Good point. How many innocent people does each one need to torture to become a good US citizen?

The grunts weren't the ones doing the torturing.
 
Forgot about Abu Ghraib and Gitmo already?
 
But those with temporary visas will be offered accelerated citizenship if they enrol, the Times says.

Anyone remember the movie Starship Troopers:

"Service guarantees citizenship!"

You're a nobody unless you enlist in the armed forces.
 
What do you call a 'grunt'? A US serviceman? You don't think the soldiers stationed at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo were real soldiers? You don't think Lynndie England and her boyfriend were 'grunt's?
 
Good point. How many innocent people does each one need to torture to become an upstanding US citizen?

Why does enlisting in the US ARMY = orders to torture for you?????

I served almost a decade in the US ARMY and was never presented with orders to torture someone. If I was, and felt the circumstances were inappropriate (i.e. illegal) I was well with my right under military law to whistleblow the orders.
Please, have you ever even served in the military, or read one line of the Uniform Code of Military Justice?




At any rate, I've known soldiers who were green carded, and joined the military to get the expedited citizenship. Allowing them to do it at the visa point only makes it faster, and is probably safe assuming the USA only extends visa privledges to respectable countries.
 
Odd, i thought we were already doing this. I hardly feel any outrage. This way, they won't have to come draft me and i won't have to run to Canada.
 
What do you call a 'grunt'? A US serviceman? You don't think the soldiers stationed at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo were real soldiers? You don't think Lynndie England and her boyfriend were 'grunt's?

As I understand it a Grunt is the actual foot soldier on the ground doing the fighting.
 
I served almost a decade in the US ARMY and was never presented with orders to torture someone. If I was, and felt the circumstances were inappropriate (i.e. illegal) I was well with my right under military law to whistleblow the orders.

Yet nobody did. Why do you think that is?

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/croke.php?articleid=3645

HUNTINGTON WOODS, MICH. - American legal investigators have discovered evidence of abuse, torture and rape throughout the U.S.-run prison system in Iraq. A Michigan legal team meeting with former detainees in Baghdad during an August fact-finding mission gathered evidence supporting claims of prisoner abuse at some 25 U.S.-run detention centers, most of them so far not publicly mentioned as being embroiled in the Iraq torture scandal.

The list includes some actual prisons, such as al-Salihiya Prison in Baghdad, the notorious prison in Abu Ghraib, and a prison at Camp Bucca, a Coalition-built POW camp in the southern port city of Um-Qasr. Other detention centers have been established at military bases, such as the U.S. military compound at al-Dhiloeia, north of Baghdad; a U.S. base outside Fallujah; and the Hilla military compound, a joint U.S.-Polish base where Alomari said he has recently been informed of allegations against U.S. and Polish personnel.

"Nobody talks about it. All everyone talks about is Abu Ghraib because of the pictures," said Alomari. "But in these other places, there's tons of acts of torture, abuse, rape."

And what do you think interpreters do in the military? Order coffee and bagels for the officers?

Please, have you ever even served in the military, or read one line of the Uniform Code of Military Justice?
Please, do you know what a straw man is?

At any rate, I've known soldiers who were green carded, and joined the military to get the expedited citizenship. Allowing them to do it at the visa point only makes it faster, and is probably safe assuming the USA only extends visa privledges to respectable countries.

"Respectable" countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance? Those type of 'respectable' countries?
 
Odd, i thought we were already doing this. I hardly feel any outrage. This way, they won't have to come draft me and i won't have to run to Canada.

Of course then an immigrant will be able to lord it over you that s/he fought for your country and you didn't. They'll get the red carpet treatment from government GI benefits (plus all that valuable high tech training) and you won't. Better join quick!
 
One guy in Mexico told me it was his dream to join the US Army. Some other people asked me about how they could join.
 
why would nayone be against it? The french had their foreign legion, and yeah, the worst thing they attempted to do was a coup or two ;)
 
I think emphasising "your own people" is just going to increase racial tensions where there needn't be any. There's always been 'within-race' violence, but there's no reason to make it a racial issue.
 
I dunno about this. It sounds like something the Roman's did before Rome burned.
 
This should have been done a long time ago.

I say open it up to anyone anywhere in the world. They have to speak English though.
 
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