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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Democracy Game II' started by DaveShack, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Welcome to the Game of Democracy forum! In order to make the most of your visit, we have assembled a series of common questions and answers that will hopefully help explain what exactly the Game of Democracy is and what goes on inside our forum. The Game of Democracy is usually referred to as the "demogame" or "DG", which we have used in this article. If this thread does not answer all your questions, or you are still unsure about some aspects of the demogame, please don't hesitate to post it in this thread to get it answered.

    Like any FAQ, this is a work in progress. If you have material to contribute, please feel free to do so, and it will be merged or linked in as applicable.

    Some questions don't have answers yet, as the game is still in its formative stages!

    Credit for this FAQ goes to Strider, Ginger Ale, CivGeneral, Falcon02, DaveShack, et al. (sorry to the rest, don't know how to correlate your emails to forum id's ;) )

    What is the demogame?
    As the name implies, the demogame is a game of Civilization 4 being played by a group of people. We are mimicking an organized government, a democracy, where part of the players are elected by the remaining players, the citizens, to take on various roles of our civilization, such as President, cabinet minister, Chief Justice, and Governor or Mayor. These leaders are responsible for posting discussion threads and polls on the various aspects of the game to gather the citizens' thoughts, and then, every few days, the game is played. Even citizens who do not participate as leaders still have an active role to play, as citizens provide the backbone for all discussions and decisions in the forums. Throughout the demogame as our civilization progresses, new leaders are elected, new cities are founded, and new wars are fought, but our goal to play the game of Civilization 4 collectively remains.

    How long does a game last?
    A normal demogame will last around 5-7 months, but the length can vary based on the game settings we're using, as a large map would take longer. However, you do not need to be present at the start of the game to play; in fact, you can jump in anytime to take a look at the save and participate in the discussions!

    How can I join?
    Joining is very easy and very quick - simply post in the Citizen Registry with the required information, and then go to your User Control Panel and request to join the group called "Civ4 Democracy Game II: Citizens". You will be approved by one of the moderators for the forum, and then you're in! You are officially a citizen of our nation, and can start to explore the forums, read recent discussion threads, and open the save.

    Is there anything important I need to read?
    Although not necessary to read if you just plan on being a citizen giving input, the Constitution is where you can view the ruleset. It contains all the information about elections, officials' responsibilities, and how we play the save. If you don't want to read all of that, just remember, if you ever open the save on your own, you are free to make any reversible changes (change laborers around in a city, play with the specialists' configuration, etc.), but you cannot do anything non-reversible (conduct a trade, explore with a unit, etc.). Otherwise, that's it!

    What are the different forums for?

    Where can I download the save?

    I want to run for an elected position. How does this work?

    What do leaders do?

    Who plays the save, and how?



    What are the different sub-forums?
    The Citizens sub-forum is for game discussions, citizens groups, and other misc. threads. The government sub-forum contains threads related to the management of the democracy game government. The polls forum contains all polls, over game issues, constitution amendments, or other misc. things.

    Spoiler Info which doesn't match the current forum structure :

    The RPG & Games and Multi-Team demogame sub-forum are different games, and seperate from the democracy game. You can visit those two forums for more information about their purposes.


    Turnchats:
    Turnchats are an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) event, during which the turns of the game are played. The turnchats are played by one of the elected designated players for that term. Some game turns may be played without a chat active, depending on the rules.

    You can access a turnchat by clicking on the Chat Room link at the bottom of any CivFanatics Forum page. Insert your username inside of the name field, and change the channel from civfanatics to turnchat. Click join, and you should be inside of the turnchat channel.

    Warning: You must have javascript to use the chat room link. You may also use an IRC client of your choice, using the information found in the Guide to Turnchats. [link needed]
     
  2. Ginger_Ale

    Ginger_Ale Lurker Retired Moderator

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    Game of Democracy II - Welcome and FAQ

    Welcome to the Game of Democracy forum! Whether you are a returning veteran or an interested newcomer, we have assembled a series of common questions and answers in order to explain the Game of Democracy. Because the name "The Game of Democracy" is so long, it is usually shortened to either the demogame or DG, terms which are used in this thread. If there is a question not answered here, by all means, please post in this thread and someone will come by to answer it!

    Keep in mind that this is a work in progress, so if you have anything to add/change, just post in this thread and it will be taken care of.

    What is the demogame?
    As the name implies, the demogame is a game of Civilization 4 being played by a group of people. We are mimicking an organized government, a democracy, where part of the players are elected by the remaining players, the citizens, to take on various roles of our civilization, such as President, cabinet minister, Chief Justice, and Governor or Mayor. These leaders are responsible for posting discussion threads and polls on the various aspects of the game to gather the citizens' thoughts, and then, every few days, the game is played. Even citizens who do not participate as leaders still have an active role to play, as citizens provide the backbone for all discussions and decisions in the forums. Throughout the demogame as our civilization progresses, new leaders are elected, new cities are founded, and new wars are fought, but our goal to play the game of Civilization 4 collectively remains.

    How long does a game last?
    A normal demogame will last around 5-7 months, but the length can vary based on the game settings we're using, as a large map would take longer. However, you do not need to be present at the start of the game to play; in fact, you can jump in anytime to take a look at the save and participate in the discussions!

    How can I join?
    Joining is very easy and very quick - simply post in the Citizen Registry with the required information, and then go to your User Control Panel and request to join the group called "Civ4 Democracy Game II: Citizens". You will be approved by one of the moderators for the forum, and then you're in! You are officially a citizen of our nation, and can start to explore the forums, read recent discussion threads, and open the save.

    Is there anything important I need to read?
    Although not necessary to read if you just plan on being a citizen giving input, the Constitution is where you can view the ruleset. It contains all the information about elections, officials' responsibilities, and how we play the save. If you don't want to read all of that, just remember, if you ever open the save on your own, you are free to make any reversible changes (change laborers around in a city, play with the specialists' configuration, etc.), but you cannot do anything non-reversible (conduct a trade, explore with a unit, etc.). Otherwise, that's it!

    Where can I download the save?
    In the main forum, look for threads that have the words "Turnchat" and a date in them. In the latest turnchat thread (near the top of the forum), you'll see a link to the save which you can download an open up.

    I want to run for an elected position. How does this work?
    Every month, here in the main forum, nomination and election threads are posted. When the nominations are posted (one thread for each office), people can announce their intent to become that official. A simple post saying "I self-nominate myself for this position." is enough to get you in the race! After the nominations, election threads are posted, where citizens can vote for one of the officials running (if you are the only one to accept a nomination, you win uncontested!). Keep in mind that this nomination-election cycle takes place during the last week in a month.

    What do leaders do?
    Leaders have a specific role, and are elected each month to perform their duties. Their responsibilities can be relatively narrow, from managing one particular city, or broader, such as controlling all military units. There are a wide variety of leaders in the three branches (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial), so be sure to read the Constitution/Code of Laws to read their specific jobs!

    Who plays the save, and how?
    There is a group of people called the "designated player pool", who are elected each term (you can become a "designated player" and hold another office) to play the save. Every few days, there is a "turnchat", where the next designated player in line to play the save goes to the demogame chatroom and plays the save while reporting on his actions. At the end of the session, he posts the save in the "turnchat thread" in the main forum so everyone can view the save. Then, a few days later, the next designated player gets a chance to play. Each month, a new DP pool is elected.

    What are the different subforums?
    There are three subforums inside this main demogame forum: the Citizens forum, the Government forum, and the Polls forum. The Citizens subforum is for game discussions, input threads, citizen groups, and other miscellaneous threads like roleplay. Inside the Government subforum, there are threads for each office. Each term, an official will create a "term thread" which contains information about that particular office. The Polls subforum contains all polls, whether about game issues, constitutional amendments, or anything else (except elections, which are in the main forum).

    What are turnchats?
    Turnchats are an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) event, during which the turns of the game are played. The turnchats are played by one of the elected designated players for that term. Some game turns may be played without a chat active, depending on the rules.

    You can access a turnchat by clicking on the Chat Room link at the bottom of any CivFanatics Forum page. Insert your username inside of the name field, and change the channel from civfanatics to turnchat. Click join, and you should be inside of the turnchat channel.

    Warning: You must have javascript to use the chat room link. You may also use an IRC client of your choice, using the information found in the Guide to Turnchats. [link needed]


    Credit for this FAQ goes to Strider, Ginger_Ale, CivGeneral, Falcon02, DaveShack, and others whose usernames could not be determined from their emails!

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    I cleaned some of the paragraphs up and added some questions, so if you want to edit the changes in to your post, DS, that would be nice. I'm going to write a turnchat article this weekend sometime.
     
  3. NKVD

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    i have one question if i may (ask here)

    its my first game and have not found any info on it. with all the forumers at the start and only one city does every forumers are citizens of that capital ? or some have to wait for the foundation of more cities to get in?

    Logicaly everybody would be in the first city than a separation would occur after each city is founded...if its the case who decides who lives where? thank you!
     
  4. ice2k4

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    Well, citizens aren't really placed in cities, as everyone elects the governor/mayor of all cities.

    However if we do decide to have an RPG, all citizens are assumed to start out in the capitol unless otherwise stated. An explanation of the RPG can be found here.
     
  5. Harbourboy

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    I don't understand this at all. What does everyone do? How exactly is this different from a succession game? I've read lots of the threads in this section and I still can't make head nor tail of what this Democracy game is all about. Please summarise it in plain English for idiots (like me).
     
  6. Hyronymus

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    You have a voice in determining stuff by issuing initiatives or by joining a citizen group. You can also run for chieftain, elder, member of the Judiciary etc. I believe that are differences from "normal" succession games.
     
  7. Harbourboy

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    But is it essentially like a succession game then? But just with a stricter process for voting on what to do in the next move?

    Are you utimately playing a game of Civilisation IV somewhere in the background?

    Sorry for the dumb questions, but this all looks very elaborate and everyone else seems to understand it but somewhere along the line the penny has not dropped for me.
     
  8. ordinaryguy

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    Yes, it is somewhat like a SG but those people who play the save are ELECTED Designated Players (DPs). WE do vote on what to do next but we also have discussions, mostly here. Instead of just lurkering and posting lurker's comments, you can participate.

    It is a game of Civ4, just one where everyone can participate in one way or another (e.g discussion, voting, running for offices etc).
     
  9. Harbourboy

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    How long does it take then? If you have to have an election and a vote for every move you do? Wouldn't it take forever? Or do you just vote on big stuff?

    Who came up with this very interesting and elaborate idea?
     
  10. dutchfire

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    It takes a few months. The FAQ says 5 to 7 months. I don't think we've ever had a demogame lasting more than a year, but you'd have to ask someone else for that to be sure.

    We only vote on the more important stuff. We also play in turnsets like a SG, so most of the time we have a turnset of 10 turns, 2/3 days of discussion and polling and then a new turnset.

    DuckofFlanders was the one who first proposed this idea.
     
  11. ice2k4

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    The idea of the demogame is to simulate a democratic decision making body (or a modern day ideal democracy.)
     
  12. DaveShack

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    Moderator Action: Moved conversation on patch levels to the BtS thread and inserted this post here.
    Q:

    A message pops up about assets being locked, and the game won't load. What's up?

    A:

    The game was started with lock modified assets on the v1.61 patch. Now that BtS has come out, there is a new 1.74 patch. You can't load the save on the new patch. See this thread for an explanation of what you need to do to create a dual install, if you want to be able to load.
     

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