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One women's filibusterer is another man terrorist.
Wendy Davis (D-Ft. Worth) is awesome.
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Dont worry JollyRoger someone will likely go on a
One women's filibusterer is another man terrorist.
Traitorfish
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...Eh?
So things got crazy last night and into the morning.
http://www.texasobserver.org/live-blog-senate-filibuster-on-anti-abortion-bill/
3:24 a.m.: In the end, after the 13-hour filibuster and all the wrangling over rules, Wendy Davis and her fellow Texas Democrats could do only so much. In the end, it was the citizens in the gallery who made the difference late Tuesday night.
With the Texas Senate poised to approve one the harshest anti-abortion laws in the country—just 15 minutes before the midnight deadline—and Senate Democrats apparently out of maneuvers, the crowd took over. Thousands of orange-clad abortion-rights activists who packed the Texas Capitol all day began roaring louder and louder until they literally shouted down the final minutes of the 30-day special session before Republicans could pass the bill.
What followed was three hours of confusion during which no one was sure if the bill actually passed. Republican senators were running around claiming the bill had passed before a midnight deadline, but many observers who watched the debate live didn’t see it that way.
The initial time stamp on the Capitol website and on Senate documents placed the vote at 12:02 or 12:03 on June 26. But then someone mysteriously changed the time stamp to make it appear SB 5 passed before the deadline (see the post below for photographic evidence). The time stamp evidence, circulated on Twitter, eventually forced GOP leaders to admit defeat, at least for tonight.
Just after 3 a.m., the Senate finally reconvened following a lengthy private meeting. Dewhurst conceded from the dais that SB 5 hadn’t passed before the deadline and was, in fact, dead.
He then walked over to the press table to meet with reporters. “This is the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” he said. “An unruly mob using Occupy Wall Street tactics has tried all day to derail legislation that has been intended to protect the lives and the safety of women and babies. … I’m very frustrated… I didn’t lose control of what we were doing. We had an unruly mob of hundreds, if not thousands, of people in here, and we couldn’t communicate with our members.” Then he walked off.
It’s hard to sum up all that transpired today. An all-day filibuster in which Sen. Davis valiantly staged a one-person fight against the strict anti-abortion bill, a stand that inspired thousands of supporters to flood the Capitol.
And when it appeared the bill might just pass, it was those supporters who took over: screaming, cheering, and shouting down Republican attempts to push a final vote. The Senate’s longest-serving member, John Whitmire, said he’d never seen anything like it. No one had.
Sen. Dan Patrick (R-Houston), who authored the infamous pre-abortion sonogram bill in 2011, wasn’t so thrilled with the outburst from the gallery that halted the vote. “It was inappropriate,” he said. “It was a shame.” Asked if he was blaming the crowd, Patrick said, “We shouldn’t have been here on the last day of a 30-day session.”
Davis and her supporters reveled in the victory. When she spoke with reporters after the filibuster, Davis credited the crowd. “I felt empowered by their presence, by their support, by their letters,” she said. “They made a difference. They are what makes Texas so amazing, and I’m proud to be a Texan tonight. ” The first thing she had to eat after the filibuster? Yogurt.
“Women showed a lot of strength today,” Davis said. “They showed they are paying attention. … Women in Texas are tired of being on the receiving end of some pretty abusive power plays at the Texas Capitol.”
So what now?
For abortion rights advocates, this may be a temporary victory. Gov. Rick Perry may well call another 30-day special session—he can call as many as he likes—and the Legislature may yet pass SB 5. (As Dewhurst said early this morning, closing the session, “It’s been fun. See you soon.”
But this night belonged to the the people who stormed the Capitol to defeat a bill they reviled. It was a night that may help revive a dormant Democratic Party. But most of all, it’s a night no one who saw it will soon forget.
—Writing and reporting by Carolyn Jones, Dave Mann, Forrest Wilder and Beth Cortez-Neavel
Dewhurst's tears are delicious. I sincerely hope Occupy Wall Street has come to Austin.
http://www.texasobserver.org/live-blog-senate-filibuster-on-anti-abortion-bill/
3:24 a.m.: In the end, after the 13-hour filibuster and all the wrangling over rules, Wendy Davis and her fellow Texas Democrats could do only so much. In the end, it was the citizens in the gallery who made the difference late Tuesday night.
With the Texas Senate poised to approve one the harshest anti-abortion laws in the country—just 15 minutes before the midnight deadline—and Senate Democrats apparently out of maneuvers, the crowd took over. Thousands of orange-clad abortion-rights activists who packed the Texas Capitol all day began roaring louder and louder until they literally shouted down the final minutes of the 30-day special session before Republicans could pass the bill.
What followed was three hours of confusion during which no one was sure if the bill actually passed. Republican senators were running around claiming the bill had passed before a midnight deadline, but many observers who watched the debate live didn’t see it that way.
The initial time stamp on the Capitol website and on Senate documents placed the vote at 12:02 or 12:03 on June 26. But then someone mysteriously changed the time stamp to make it appear SB 5 passed before the deadline (see the post below for photographic evidence). The time stamp evidence, circulated on Twitter, eventually forced GOP leaders to admit defeat, at least for tonight.
Just after 3 a.m., the Senate finally reconvened following a lengthy private meeting. Dewhurst conceded from the dais that SB 5 hadn’t passed before the deadline and was, in fact, dead.
He then walked over to the press table to meet with reporters. “This is the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” he said. “An unruly mob using Occupy Wall Street tactics has tried all day to derail legislation that has been intended to protect the lives and the safety of women and babies. … I’m very frustrated… I didn’t lose control of what we were doing. We had an unruly mob of hundreds, if not thousands, of people in here, and we couldn’t communicate with our members.” Then he walked off.
It’s hard to sum up all that transpired today. An all-day filibuster in which Sen. Davis valiantly staged a one-person fight against the strict anti-abortion bill, a stand that inspired thousands of supporters to flood the Capitol.
And when it appeared the bill might just pass, it was those supporters who took over: screaming, cheering, and shouting down Republican attempts to push a final vote. The Senate’s longest-serving member, John Whitmire, said he’d never seen anything like it. No one had.
Sen. Dan Patrick (R-Houston), who authored the infamous pre-abortion sonogram bill in 2011, wasn’t so thrilled with the outburst from the gallery that halted the vote. “It was inappropriate,” he said. “It was a shame.” Asked if he was blaming the crowd, Patrick said, “We shouldn’t have been here on the last day of a 30-day session.”
Davis and her supporters reveled in the victory. When she spoke with reporters after the filibuster, Davis credited the crowd. “I felt empowered by their presence, by their support, by their letters,” she said. “They made a difference. They are what makes Texas so amazing, and I’m proud to be a Texan tonight. ” The first thing she had to eat after the filibuster? Yogurt.
“Women showed a lot of strength today,” Davis said. “They showed they are paying attention. … Women in Texas are tired of being on the receiving end of some pretty abusive power plays at the Texas Capitol.”
So what now?
For abortion rights advocates, this may be a temporary victory. Gov. Rick Perry may well call another 30-day special session—he can call as many as he likes—and the Legislature may yet pass SB 5. (As Dewhurst said early this morning, closing the session, “It’s been fun. See you soon.”
But this night belonged to the the people who stormed the Capitol to defeat a bill they reviled. It was a night that may help revive a dormant Democratic Party. But most of all, it’s a night no one who saw it will soon forget.
—Writing and reporting by Carolyn Jones, Dave Mann, Forrest Wilder and Beth Cortez-Neavel
Dewhurst's tears are delicious. I sincerely hope Occupy Wall Street has come to Austin.
I'm very happy that the procedure exists in this particular case, but in general it's just silly.
If it is even a good idea to allow a single minority representative to stop a law that would be passed by the majority, then why tie this whole endurance contests with all of its ridiculous dos and don'ts to it? Why not allow representatives to block a law when they manage to balance a whole egg on their head for 12 hours while the opposing party tries to knock it off without touching them?
If it is even a good idea to allow a single minority representative to stop a law that would be passed by the majority, then why tie this whole endurance contests with all of its ridiculous dos and don'ts to it? Why not allow representatives to block a law when they manage to balance a whole egg on their head for 12 hours while the opposing party tries to knock it off without touching them?
I think you need to create a petition, Leoreth.
The entire process is a bit unfair, because it's biased towards youth and vitality
The entire process is a bit unfair, because it's biased towards youth and vitality
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The OP says that this bill will in practice destroy all abortion in Texas, but according to BBC it jut wants to illegalize all abortion after the 20th week and it would have to take place in a "surgical centre".
I thought they wanted to ban abortion, but to me this hardly seems especially radical or dangerous(Unless the previous laws are completely insane, I wouldn't support it though). Are you leading us astray Azale?
edit: Happy to see it's not just me who finds this whole filibuster thing little bit weird and random.
I thought they wanted to ban abortion, but to me this hardly seems especially radical or dangerous(Unless the previous laws are completely insane, I wouldn't support it though). Are you leading us astray Azale?
edit: Happy to see it's not just me who finds this whole filibuster thing little bit weird and random.
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The required admitting rights is a bit sticky and may actually force some clinics to shut down or at least move to an area that has a hospital that will grant admitting rights to doctors at the clinic. This would almost certainly reduce access without required travel to rural areas. That, coupled with any shortening of the timeframe during which an abortion is allowed always draws the "this will destroy all abortion rights" hysteria to get the base moving.
Really, both sides of this are yawn-worthy predictable.
Really, both sides of this are yawn-worthy predictable.
LegionSteve
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It sure does seem weird and random. I think Leoreth's egg proposal would be an improvement.
But then, when it comes to strange traditions interfering with the democratic process, we in the UK have the House of Lords
You can't can abortion outright until the Supreme Court allows it. It's a Constitutional right. What the Texas bill does is impose such onerous burdens on clinic as to compel them to shut down "on their own". It would add millions of dollars of costs to clinics, and deny doctors certifications to act.
aelf
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Eh? That seems like a fair counterpart to the "abortion is genocide" hysteria.
The interesting stuff is in the fineprint. The law would have leveled all sorts of new regulations on abortion clinics and held them to high standards - standards mostly situated in the realms of the prohibitively costly and the virtually impossible.
Of course it's ridiculous. But i kinda would like to move from the fourth stage of grief to the fifth regarding American politics.
You mean like Christopher Hitchens United Atheist Hospital?
Yeah, piece of cake...
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I'm actually inclined to agree. And I'm relatively certain that the abortion clinics that correctly jump through the hoops should this legislation pass will stay in operation, then the legislature will attempt to pass another set of more onerous guidelines for them to jump through, then again, then again, until they start slamming their statutes into grounds that the Federal courts will overturn. Then they'll go after a different angle. Like I said, it's pretty yawn worthy.
Though, the United Atheist Hospital bit did make me giggle. Given that the atheists and non-religious are a growing segment of the population maybe it's time for them to get off their collective rears and actually do things like, ya know, start fund and maintain more things like hospitals.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2...ills-into-one-nightmare-piece-of-legislation/
5 clinics in a state the size of France is ridiculous. The doubletalk on care for women is stupid. I could offer you more links on Governor Perry's "listen to the baby's heartbeat before you kill it you stupid woman" sonogram bill, or perhaps to his preferred women's health outlets?
I assure you I am only scratching the surface here. The ignorance and stupidity of this legislative body is astounding.
Thank god the moderate is here again! You clearly know what side you line up on, why pretend to see it from both sides? The pro-women side is using some emotional rhetoric, not altogether unfounded rhetoric mind you, to whip up the base. If they DON'T whip up the base, and fast, there will be nothing left to fight.
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Couldn't agree more!
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I know this is sidetracking, but why would you expect a bunch of random people with nothing in common to sponsor a hospital?
Nothing, it's stupid and antiquated.
They should make it least interesting - if you can defeat an opposition rep in a wrestling match (your choice of freestyle, greco-roman or catch), you get to pass any law you want.
Or if you're able to eat X hotdogs in Y minutes, you're able to stop any law you want unless the opposition can eat >X hotdogs in <Y minutes.
On the other hand it's less than 7% the size of Canada.
To annoy religious people, and to prevent any of their charitable donations going to religious causes.
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I do actually, but I'm not sure that you do.
I would hope that sharing a church is not a required element to people sharing enough things in common to support the existence of hospitals.
