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Of Civs already in VI, if they return in VII which ones would you like to see have a new leader or alternate leader added? And of them, which leader?
When thinking about the United States I agree that Truman would be interesting but I think he is too controversial to likely be added (I agree that I am not a huge fan of him and I think that that is a pretty common viewpoint in the US) I'm not a huge fan of Washington as the leader because things did not really go great during the time when he was president. I mean, there was little economic growth and a pretty significant uprising. Honestly, I'd like to see Lincoln as the leader the most but I do agree that Adams would be okay. I think another interesting choice could be LBJ and would be interested in seeing him.I've also put some thought into the United States. TBH I think it's pretty probable we'll see Washington or Lincoln back for Civ7, but I wouldn't mind seeing a more unexpected choice. My top pick would be John Adams, a man noted both for his unswerving commitment to his principles and for his short temper. I also think Harry Truman would be an unexpected but interesting choice. I personally dislike Truman, but I think he'd make an interesting choice.
If Truman is too controversial...I think another interesting choice could be LBJ and would be interested in seeing him.
You would think but at least from what I have seen living in the US, Johnson is significantly less controversial than Truman. I don't like either but the general consensus seems to be that. That's why I think the Lincoln will be the next leader in Civ VII.If Truman is too controversial...I mean, he'd be less controversial than the other President Johnson.
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Truman left office unpopular; LBJ left office so hated by both sides he died of a heart attack a month later. And Truman's image has been refurbished somewhat (he's nowhere near as unpopular as he used to be), whereas I haven't seen a similar revision of LBJ. I think LBJ actually gets more or less forgotten, wedged between the charismatic idiot JFK and the brilliant but ruthlessly amoral and paranoid Richard Nixon.You would think but at least from what I have seen living in the US, Johnson is significantly less controversial than Truman.
Ah, "Honest" Abe, the most ironically named of all US presidents.That's why I think the Lincoln will be the next leader in Civ VII.
There's a reason for this: you're not allowed to depict the Japanese emperors in Japan, and Japan is a major market. I'm just glad Civ6 stepped away from the Edo period/Sengoku Jidai to give us a Kamakura shikken. Perhaps Civ7 could choose a Heian aristocrat like Fujiwara no Michinaga or Taira no Kiyomori.For Japan, I would like to see Kanmu Emperor, Japan needs non Samurai ruler this time as in the past Japan leader tend to be Samurai like Oda Nobunaga, Tokugawa Ieyasu and Hojo Tokimune.
Ratings. CdM can't even sip wine, and Poundmaker's pipe is unlit. It's stupid, but it's what it is.A cigarette-puffing Churchill would make a great leaderscreen
Oh yes, definitely in their day but now-a-days I feel like Truman would anger people more but it is probably best to not have either in the game.Truman left office unpopular; LBJ left office so hated by both sides he died of a heart attack a month later. And Truman's image has been refurbished somewhat (he's nowhere near as unpopular as he used to be), whereas I haven't seen a similar revision of LBJ. I think LBJ actually gets more or less forgotten, wedged between the charismatic idiot JFK and the brilliant but ruthlessly amoral and paranoid Richard Nixon.
In a lot of ways, I agree. I really would not mind either.I can't respect Lincoln's lack of principles, though. If we get one of the standards, I hope it's Washington, but I'd prefer someone new and someone antebellum.
True, he could work but I don't think he would be the best for England considering their histroy.A cigarette-puffing Churchill would make a great leaderscreen, but England does have a dozen great choices to pick from.
Having the USSR and Russia seems kinda weird to me and considering the length and depth of Russia's history they have some better choices I feel.Stalin would be nice and sinister but not sure if he will ever be put in the game again.
I think in some ways having Indira Gandhi as a alternate leader would work well and I would like to see that. I really agree with your suggestions for Rome, Germany and China.For CIV 7, I would to see many newcomer leaders instead of returning leaders, returning leaders can be alternate leader like iconic leaders such as Gandhi, Genghis Khan and Alexander will be second leader of civs instead.
As an Elizabeth I fan, we can't stop having Elizabeth until they portray her right. Ironically, the staid, sedate portrayal in Civ5 would have fit Victoria much better, while the perky, tantrum-throwing Victoria of Civ6 would have better suited Lizzy.any leader who is not Elizabeth
I agree about post-Achaemenid Persia, but not about Islamic Persia. The Middle Ages were a low point in Persian history when it was dominated by Arabs and Turks, and the post-Medieval period saw a backlash against Arabicization, Turkicization, and Islamization in favor of Persian nationalism. I'd much rather see a Zoroastrian Persia myself (which pretty much limits the option to Sassanid Persia).Persia: for the love of God, can we please get once Iran that is not 100% Achaemenid? No Cyrus, no Darius, no Immortal unit? I'd explode from happiness if we got Islamic scientific/cultural Persia for once, but even Sasanians would be great improvement.
I agree with your overall premise of no Napoleon and ideally no Louis XIV, but I think it's actually the other way around for France: France, one of the preeminent military superpowers of the Middle Ages, is consistently The Louvre: The Civilization. I'm not inherently opposed to France as culture civ, but it's about as lopsided as perpetually portraying Korea as The Uber Science civ (on which note, a cultural/religious Korea is at the top of my Civ7 wishlist).France: other leader than Louis XIV and Napoleon would be refreshing, thought I prefer Louis from those two, because I have similar problem with Napoleon as with Alexander and Gandhi: extreme personalities of those people derail their multifaceted civilizations too much. Greece and France rarely get to shine as beacons of science, culture and economy in those games, because they are lead by super hardcore warmongering maniacs.
Out of curiosity, why not Wu? She's only been in the game once. True, China has no shortage of fresh faces, but I wouldn't be sorry to see her again.China: whoever but not Shi Huangdi, Wu Zetian, or God forbid Mao.
Civ has three "mascots" of sorts: Gandhi, Montezuma, and Shaka. If I have to have one of them back, I'll take Montezuma--but someone fresh would be nice. It would be nice to have someone new for the Inca, too; the fact we've had Huayna Capac once shows that Firaxis is aware that the Inca were more than just Pachacuti. I'd be happiest if Brazil just didn't come back in Civ7, but we should be so lucky.Brazil, Aztec, Inca: whoever but please not Pedro, Montezuma or Pacachuti, someone fresh for once.
I quite agree.Russia: Peter and Catherine are very tired choices. I'd love to see some earlier, less Westernized Russian ruler - such as Ivan III the Great, Alexander Nevsky or Dmitry Donskoy.
Umm...What about Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan too?Civ has three "mascots" of sorts: Gandhi, Montezuma, and Shaka.
Yeah, Alex is another mascot; though he's a staple, I don't think Genghis is a mascot in the same way. Napoleon has been an on-again, off-again mascot, too, and a happy reminder that mascots can be done away with.Umm...What about Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan too?![]()
Look, Firaxis can't be blamed just because they can't tell the difference between a successful ruler who founded an empire and a self-absorbed nutjob who lost said empire.At least I would put them as more of a mascot over Montezuma considering we've had different ones appear. Montezuma I only has appeared in the last two games. The others were Montezuma II.
Truman left office unpopular; LBJ left office so hated by both sides he died of a heart attack a month later.
You're right. I was conflating him with another unpopular US president, Warren Harding, who died of a heart attack while in office. I do recall reading that the stress of office and his unpopularity contributed to LBJ's poor health and ultimate death by heart attack, though.Actually, LBJ died 4 years after finishing his Presidency. That he was unpopular is undoubtedly true.