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What do we know about Laroth?

Discussion in 'Fall from Heaven Lore' started by KillerClowns, Mar 29, 2009.

  1. KillerClowns

    KillerClowns Chieftain

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    The thread title really says it all. Aside from the fact that he made the Nether Blade, was one of Kylorin's students, specialized in Spirit magic, and is presently leading a revolution in Arwan's vault by collecting heroic souls, my knowledge on Laroth is a bit vague. Anyone got any other details? Descriptions somewhere in the 'pedia or given in scenarios I've not yet finished (e.g. most of them)?
     
  2. cIV_khanh93

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    I beileve that Kylorin was the one who killed him, and the Sidar are inadvertantly helping him instead of his enemy, Arawn.
     
  3. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    These are the only mentions of Larth in the Pedia/scenarios:



    I believe it has been stated that Laroth was killed by Kylorin, but now that I'm typing this I also remember Kael stating that the only confirmed battle between Kylorin and his students was that with Perpentach. Maybe someone else killed him then.


    It has been stated that Laroth's type of spirit magic isn't so much the encouragement we typically see, but the abilities like binding souls in artifacts and driving entire cities into a deep (perhaps suicidal) depressions. It seems he is also good at summoning the souls of the departed mortals in a way similar to how Demons and Elementals are usually summoned.



    I believe that Kael has said that Gyra is trying to fight Laroth, but Arawn himself doesn't think this rebellion is worth any consideration. Gyra can't convince very many angels to help her fight him because their god won't tell them to do so. Many of Arawn's angels strongly dislike his non-interventionist approach, and a significant minority have chosen to join with Laroth. It seems that that blue angel seen in the Mulcarn Reborn Epilogue and in Rathaus's entry is one of Arawn's greater andgels who now aspires to be the Archangel of Death Under Laroth. Most of the souls of mortals serving Laroth don't seem to realize his goal is to become a god, but this angel surely does.


    I believe that Kael has implied that Laroth may have let his tomes fall into the hands of the Gossams on purpose, so that they would make it to the surface and be used. I had originally thought that the Waning ritual just allowed a Shade to slowly consume his own soul for immortality, but it apparently actually gives the caster's soul to Laroth. The Sidar have no idea that Laroth exists or that he is trying to usurp Arawn's throne, but they are really acting as his servants anyway. They would probably be appaled to learn this, as they highly revere Arawn. This may have something to do with why Basium tried to destroy the Sidar, but Gyra stopped them. Even if they are serving her enemy, Gyra values their reverence for her god.
     
  4. DioBrando

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    Actually, even knowing that is knowing a lot. We don't really know that much about Amelanchier, for example, and he's a civ leader.

    Laroth is pretty awesome though. Probably the coolest of Kylorins students, aside from Perp.
     
  5. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    What, you don't think Os-Gabella is cool? Or Trenton Majosi? All of Kylorin's students were probably very interesting characters, but we just don't know as much about them.


    You mention of Perpentach reminded me that Kael said that Kylorin had to kill several old friends who were under Perpentach's contorol in order to get to Perp. It is possible that these included some of his students. I just got to thinking it is possible that Laroth ended up in the Netherworld instead of hell because his most serious crimes were committed while under Perpentach's domination. That is probably not true, but it could be interesting. It would allow both the statement that Kylorin killed Laroth and that the only battle between Kylorin and one of his students was the battle with Perpentach to be true.
     
  6. KillerClowns

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    Perpentach's 'pedia, IIRC, mentions that Kylorin killed Gastrius as well. Though this may have not counted as a battle if, for instance, Kylorin ambushed Gastrius, or ordered him assassinated, or something to that tune.
     
  7. MagisterCultuum

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    That is true, but it may be worth noting that Kael did not personally write Perpentach's entry and didn't seem particularly familiar with it. He told Nikis-Knight (I think) that Kylorin defeated Perpentach in battle but chose not to kill him, but left all the other details up to him. I tend to think it is cannon though, even if not Kael's own work. Kylorin may very well have slain many of his students, but Kael hadn't thought them out in great detail.
     
  8. Kael

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    Thats true, anything in the mod is canon and overwrites casual conversations we have here.
     
  9. MagisterCultuum

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    Anything? Surely the Tebryn entry wasn't to considered cannon just before the recent rewrite?
     
  10. Kael

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    Thats not to say that it cant be canon that should be corrected. We find mistakes form time to time. But we need a hierarchy to keep lore straight and the in game text is the very top of that hierarchy.
     
  11. DioBrando

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    They are cool, but not THAT cool. Pretty much every character that has their own pedia entry in FfH are cool. I just don't find them as cool as a guy who can control a freaking realm with his MIND, even after he has DIED. Holy freaking cow, THAT is awesome. Os-Gabella is pretty much Lilith, and i never really liked that kinda character anyway. I don't know that much about Trenton, but he probably kinda killed the Aifons once, so that's pretty uncool.

    But they are still cool though. Do we know anything about the rest of his students? Os-Gabella and Trenton were the only ones i considered when i rated Laroth's coolness.
     
  12. MagisterCultuum

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    We don't know a lot. We know that Gastrius was killed by Kylorin, and that Barbatos became a lich and was trapped in his tomb by Kylorin. The others are still a mystery. Most have probably died, but could still be around as demons. I like to think that at least one of the Demon Lords from Lord of the Balors is actually a former student of Kylorin, although they probably don't remember that previous life very well. Majen and Wode may still reside with the Summer and Winter courts, as elves can live a very long time.
     
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    Thanks for posting that Epilogue, Magister. I thought I was going to have to play the scenario to get at it. It's one of the few I had left, but it saves me the trouble of forcing me to do it in the next few days. Since my D&D campaign starting in the next week or two is based around Laroch's rebellion in the afterlife.

    It all seems to fit in quite nicely with what I already had planned out for the campaign. Most people are trapped in their own set patterns, almost entirely unaware of anything around them. The people that were more willful or gifted in life retain some part of themselves, but the existance is essentially empty. It's like a prison.

    I imagine most of the people still 'awake' in the afterlife wouldn't even care if Laroch intended to become the new god of death, so long as he promised some kind of freedom when he got there. And I'm sure those kind of promises would flow freely, too.
     
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    Including the happenings of the scenarios, or just the pedia entries?
     
  15. Kael

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    Viewed through the lens of FfH2 the scenarios aren't history, they are the future. It becomes a time reference problem. If you were to ask, "Who controls the Fane of Lessers?" it would be Hyborem. Even though several leaders could control the Fane after you play the scenarios, we assume the scenarios haven't taken place yet.

    That doesn't mean that the scenarios aren't canon, they just aren't history. They haven't happened yet.
     
  16. FireBlaze

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    So scenarios are more or less all the different paths that the future or Erebus could hold?
     
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    FfH2 isnt a story. We spend a lot of time working on the story up to the point where the game begins. But after that we very intentionally take it off the rails and allow the player to develop his own story. That could be in the epic game, or in the scenarios.

    So questions like "who really won the elven civil war?" have no answer. If we were to say that the scenarios were canon then Arendel won it (according to the victory text for Arendel) and Faeryl won it (according to the victory text for Faeryl) which are obviously contradictory results. Does that mean the scenarios aren't canon?
     
  18. black_imperator

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    If he ever succeeds in becoming god of death , what will he do ? will he try to enter into Erebus or just stay in the Underworld?
     
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    If it is not already history, and it is the future, it is up to a modder to decide, I guess ;).
     
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    I wonder whether Laroth has any chance of succeeding in overthrowing Arawn.
    First of all, his mastery is that of Spirit, and he's mostly able to work through deception.
    Barbatos and Arawn, maybe Kylorin too, are probably better than him at using Death magic, although it's not clear to me what the difference is between Death and Spirit: Is Death magic keeping death at bay, ignoring its effects, preventing the soul/spirit from reaching a Vault or Hell?
    Why do the Sidar hate the undead? Probably because becoming undead prevents your soul from reaching Arawn's vault, and thus deprives Laroth from potential subjects. Or because Arawn can't control them in any way as their spirit is no longer there and there's just a walking corpse? The latter might work for skeletons but seems unlikely with spectres. Anyway, the latter explanation would mean that Laroth would have very limited power on the walking dead.
     

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