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What European country is the closest to winning today ?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by kensington888, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. nfw

    nfw King

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    Maybe western Europe, but Orthodox Christianity is dominate in most of the former Roman empire and Russia.
     
  2. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Deity

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    That's the beauty of the AP cheese. It doesn't have to be the dominant religion, as long as it is represented...in fact it's better if it is just barely represented.
     
  3. yturk39

    yturk39 Warlord

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    Let's see some civics changes, and shake things up. Maybe that will make for a more clear winner.

    If England starts a Golden Age by using up the royal baby that would allow them to switch back and forth between Monarchy and Police State without any lost productivity. They could use the bonus hammers and gold for espionage points and fighting terror. Their master, America, would appreciate that.


    America: "We would like you to research..."

    England: "Yes?"

    America: "Terrorist Husbandry."

    England: "We'll switch right away!"
     
  4. CivNoobie

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    I'd say Britain wins the cultural victory by generating GA while Italy wins it by constructing wonders.
    Germany wins the diplomatic (when you give all the money, every1 likes you)
    Russia wins the time victory....I kinda see most of europe will fall into the one world govt system.
    If Russia goes communist, then it wins space. If not, I see France winning this.
    As for domination/conquest it's K-A-Z-A-K-H-S-T-A-N:woohoo::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
     
  5. gps

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    How can they be legendary when they were founded in the medieval era :eek:

    That's some serious culture per turn!
     
  7. drewisfat

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    Spain wasn't a vassal, they weren't even allied. They were preoccupied. Romania was an ally (At the "peak"). The area Germany directly controlled wasn't that big. It was scary when you lumped it with it's vassals and allies, but in civ terms allies not count and vassals only half count. It wouldn't have quite made the dom even if they all counted fully.

    Mongolian empire was close to British empire in size, and it was much earlier. By percentage of civilized land and by pop it was greater. Ofc OP based on euro map anyways.


    I don't know how you guys claim Italy beats France in a culture war. France is known for strong cultural impacts on everything from food, language, government, entertainment, literature, fashion, art. Italy is known mostly for food and art.

    I think you are obsessing too much about civ's 3 legendary cities (the city layout of civ makes any cultural representation much different). Modern name recognition isn't a good judge of cultural importance. Venice, while an important city, is famous in popular opinion by 90% of the world as "that water city, thats sinking!! With the gondolas!" Florence is also listed first in textbooks as the Renaissance city with orange roofs (although most italian cities were involved in the Renaissance and had orange roofs). Florence might be more famous than Milan for instance, but Milan is a more important city.

    Even if you are insistent on looking at culture through civ's framework, considering that France has three world wonders in two different cities. Italy doesn't have any!

    Greece deserves more of a consideration in the culture category as well.
     
  8. BornInCantaloup

    BornInCantaloup Agent of Chaos

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    Italy has triggered 2 golden ages, already.
    Can't say Britain has gotten that many. They got one, tops. No offence to you, British people. Look at the bright side: That means your future GAs will be oh-so-very cheap!


    Stones stack culture, don't you know? And... Sistine Chapel? Apostolic Palace? :lol:
    France is a lot more centralized than Italy. So... if we're talking Legendary Cities, I'd put Italy on top. City-states ft-culture-w!
     
  9. drewisfat

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    Last I checked Sistine Chapel and Apostolic Palace are in Vatican City :p
     
  10. BornInCantaloup

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    Yeah... Vatican city state... of the Italian peninsula...
    Strictly, you're correct! Complacently, I am :goodjob:
     
  11. Seraiel

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    You have forgotten the guidelines for cultural victories, and those are, that at least 1 city can be bombed to legendary without problems. Ok, that's not Hamburg specific, but it could hit Hamburg, because the city actually works quite a number of Artist-Specailists and has quite a lot Culture-producing buildings actually like various tons of Theaters i. e.

    Thinking that Hamburg is the GP-Farm of Germany is supported by this list of favourite persons that either came from Hamburg or lived there for a longer time.

    See above, and I named Hamburg because it's the 2nd biggest city of Germany and didn't know which to choose as third. Hamburg probably is the GP-Farm and yes, the argument with the harbour was stupid.

    You don't count the Oktoberfest, which is a great fiest of german beer-culture, but you count the that TV offers? Even if I followed your arguments, there are more TV-Studios in Hamburg and Munich than in Mainz or Nuremberg, and regarding german bear.

    Also, Commerce = Culture via the Slider if you didn't know, and Hamburg + Berlin afaik have a Jewish Synagoge, an Islamic Moshee, and a Christian Cathedral, so if talking about close, those cities actually could produce enough Culture to get to Legendary really fast.

    You also misunderstood my argument about Hitler, completely, which was, that he constructed quite a lot of culture giving buildings there, because he wanted to make it the capital of the world, but yes, many didn't make it and most got razed by Russians and Americans. Still, what's said above counts.
     
  12. kensington888

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    i am enjoying the answers.it would be great if somebody actually sat and worked out how much culture each city had going by dates cultural buldings were built.i know that it wouldnt be 100% accurate but it would be interesting.
     
  13. Timsup2nothin

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    It would be great, but not definitive. You'd still be open to indisputable but unsupportable statements like 'Germany could culture bomb Hamburg with great artists any minute and make it one of the great culture centers on the planet'. Which also might be about to happen in Mercia, or Pau, or Blackburn, or Palmdale California for that matter.



    You apparently missed the basic principle of 'the haves and the have-nots'...as a nation or an individual, if you want to be loved, be broke.
     
  14. gps

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    Beer-culture??? It's a great feast of mass consuption of the cheapest mass produced "Plörre" available. If you want to have beer-culture you've got to go to some of the small family-owned breweries that might still be around somewhere in the "bayerische Wald" [bavarian forrest]...
    Also I can't remember the Oktoberfest beeing available as a national or world wonder or even as a simple city improvement, while there are broadcast towers in the game.

    So does any other European City, I am pretty sure there are mosques and synagogues as well in London, Paris, Moscow, Prague, Warsaw, Budapest - and wherever you-name-it. And as long as there is a so called "bürgerlich-konservative" [conservative] Gouvernement with the "Wachstum, Wachstum über alles"-Mantra [growth, growth above everything], there will never ever be a slider in Germany set to 100% Culture. Never. Ever.
     
  15. rah

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    You can't really go on name recognition.
    If you did.....
    New York
    Los Angeles
    Chicago
    And you could argue that these three cities have had the most cultural impact on the world in the last 50 years.

    But I wouldn't. ;)
     
  16. JoeyB98

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    Dude, you could say most of that about almost any country in the world. Should we argue Ireland? They get fairly drunk too, they must be the most cultural! :lol:
     
  17. Timsup2nothin

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    If you concede that 'impact' is not necessarily positive you could probably argue this pretty well actually...in the case of LA in particular.

    I also think you might be over-estimating the world-wide name recognition for Chicago. I suspect 'name three cities in the US' would get you New York, Washington, and Hollywood in most parts of the world if it got you three at all.
     
  18. rah

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    Whenever I traveled abroad and said I was from Chicago, they'd always either say "Micheal. Jordan" or "bang, bang, bang" Never once did anyone look at me confused as if they weren't familiar with it. You'd be surprised with the name recognition.

    And yes, I said nothing about positive impact. But that could be said about a lot of "cultural" impact.
     
  19. Timsup2nothin

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    There's a difference between recognition and influence. People recognize it when you answer 'where are you from', but it isn't in their face on a regular basis. There are probably not many places in the world where Washington isn't thrown in their faces fairly regularly. That's why 'name a US city' will get you 'Washington' at least nine times out of ten (civ terms, the cultural impact of having the palace). If you don't get Washington you will probably get New York, again because it gets thrown in front of most people on a more regular basis (notice that in Tiananmen Square they built an image of the Statue of Liberty rather than the Shedd Aquarium).
     
  20. rah

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    Yes there is a difference. I did mention recognition in my original post.
    And since I'm from Chicago, I always weight it higher then Washington. ;)
     

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