What ever happen to the Assyrians?
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The Assyrians still exist to this day and even have a national flag. Whether it would be possible to have both Babylon and Assyria in the game due to limited city names is another question.
The Last Conformist
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The modern-day Assyrians have very little to do with the ancient ones, beyond living in the same general area.
De facto, the Assyrians are included in the Babylonians in CivIII - almost all the big Assyrian cities, like Ashur, Nimrud, Niniveh, Khorsabad, are included in the Babylonian city list, and their GL list features the great Assyrian king Ashurbanipal.
De facto, the Assyrians are included in the Babylonians in CivIII - almost all the big Assyrian cities, like Ashur, Nimrud, Niniveh, Khorsabad, are included in the Babylonian city list, and their GL list features the great Assyrian king Ashurbanipal.
CyberChrist
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Of course the same can be said for Sumerians and Hittites (being part of Babylonians in vanilla Civ3/PTW).
CyberChrist
You caught my attention
Carthaginians were in essence Phoenician decendants 
Anyway, the Babylonian city list in Vanilla Civ3 and PTW definetly included Sumerian city names and the civilopedia stated Babylonians as being a representation of all the mesopotamian tribes in one.
Anyway, the Babylonian city list in Vanilla Civ3 and PTW definetly included Sumerian city names and the civilopedia stated Babylonians as being a representation of all the mesopotamian tribes in one.
As an Assyrian myself, I was disappointed that the fact they were clearly masters of war and a great expanding empire.
Xen, well said, people do get mixed up with Syria and Assyrian, the two have no matches whatsoever, completly different to each other, one being Christian and one being Muslim.
Anyway, I was expecting an Empire like Assyrian to be included, not necessary in the scenarios.
Xen, well said, people do get mixed up with Syria and Assyrian, the two have no matches whatsoever, completly different to each other, one being Christian and one being Muslim.
Anyway, I was expecting an Empire like Assyrian to be included, not necessary in the scenarios.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Xen, largely the Assyrians have survived although their culture and ethnicity are very different today than what they were thousands of years ago.
if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and acts liek a duck, then it must be a duck
but if they dont act like Assyrians, and they arnt the same geneology as the assyrians, and they dontr have the same culture as the assyrians, then are they truelly assyrians?
I think not.
but if they dont act like Assyrians, and they arnt the same geneology as the assyrians, and they dontr have the same culture as the assyrians, then are they truelly assyrians?
I think not.
Zardnaar
Deity
As far as I'm aware of theres a minority ethinic group in Irq who are Assyrians.
They may not be "Assyrians" circa 500BC but they identify with the ethnic group and are descended from the Assyrians. Whether or not they're true Assyrians or a Assyrian subgroup of Arabs maybe someone else can enlighten me.
They may not be "Assyrians" circa 500BC but they identify with the ethnic group and are descended from the Assyrians. Whether or not they're true Assyrians or a Assyrian subgroup of Arabs maybe someone else can enlighten me.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
Xen, they are descended somewhat directly to the ancient Assyrians. But they have mixed with other nationalities over the ages so they are not exactly the same ethnicity (probably the wrong word). And over time, all cultures change and the Assyrians are no exception.
Regardless of what people call themselves, the peoples of the ancient middle east and Mediterranean were assimilated into the modern genetic/cultural mix hundreds of years ago. The Jews might be an exception. The Italians aren't Romans, the Tunisians aren't Carthaginian. Even the Egyptians aren't the Egyptians of Rameses. Selecting a cultural heritage based on place is a pretty typically human way of anchoring ourselves in the world, but for most people making claims of lineage more than 500 back is mostly wishful thinking.
There ARE assyrians. They're a bit like Jews, Sikhs, Beta Israel, and Marsh Arabs in that they're an extreme-minority isolated race who coexists with other groups yet doesnt nessicarily intermingle.
I know one... he's a nice guy and he and his family look about as Arabic as Sitting Bull. They have rounder faces and curly hair (a bit like Gilgamesh). They are mostly christian now I think, and reside in Iraq and Iran.
I know one... he's a nice guy and he and his family look about as Arabic as Sitting Bull. They have rounder faces and curly hair (a bit like Gilgamesh). They are mostly christian now I think, and reside in Iraq and Iran.
Well... maybe. Think a minute. The assyrians civ collapsed over 2,500 years ago. It was not an isolated population group but one that lived at the nexus of eastern and western civilizations.
How many times has that area been conquered since Assyria fell?
In the pre AD1500 world what was the usual treatment of conquered peoples? Enslaved, killed, moved, raped, married, children enslaved etc.
Your friend may look like images taken from ancient Assyrian artifacts, but curly black hair, a round face and living in Iraq does not make you an Assyrian.
He may want to claim Assyrian heritage and I think the middle east needs to increase its diversity; Assyrian is a good choice. But remember, it is chosen.
While I can claim direct decendency from Rob Roy MacGregor, it would be silly to pretend that I am an ancient pict.
How many ancestors does your friend have if you count back 100 generations at 25 years per generation?
How many times has that area been conquered since Assyria fell?
In the pre AD1500 world what was the usual treatment of conquered peoples? Enslaved, killed, moved, raped, married, children enslaved etc.
Your friend may look like images taken from ancient Assyrian artifacts, but curly black hair, a round face and living in Iraq does not make you an Assyrian.
He may want to claim Assyrian heritage and I think the middle east needs to increase its diversity; Assyrian is a good choice. But remember, it is chosen.
While I can claim direct decendency from Rob Roy MacGregor, it would be silly to pretend that I am an ancient pict.
How many ancestors does your friend have if you count back 100 generations at 25 years per generation?
The Last Conformist
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Who's been confusing Syria and Assyria, BTW?
And, also, are you sure the names are related? Assyria is a greekification of "Ashur"; deriving Syria from which seems unlikely.
HannibalBarka
We are Free
Well sorry, they do exist with a flag and all.
Sure they are a little bit different from the Assyrian who were living 3000 years ago, but the same may be said about you (I assume you are an american) and the guys who traveled on the Mayflower, or between a modern day french and Saint-Louis.
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