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What exactly is wrong with wars for oil or any other resource?

NYHunter

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I guess I ask, because it seems obvious to me that as population grows the demand for resources only increases. And war is a good way to gain control over these resources. Not to forget that every war has been about resources.

Some people will say, well, how would you feel if China or Russia went to war with you over oil? I would be upset, but that isn't the point. Even though they would never invade us under current circumstances, if the U.S. does become weak, why shouldn't China, let's say, invade Alaska for the oil that's there? Or Guam and other pacific islands for those benefits? Isn't it good for them so long as they don't over expand?

And that's not to say diplomacy and peace can't accomplish anything but it has more to do with the fact that I believe "sharing" resources simply cannot work in the long run. Even if you can get all nations to come to some sort of agreement, eventually the resources begin to run out and each nation will want to protect what it has, while making deals with allies. This idea that we can just all get along with EVERYBODY (and I stress that because it is still important to have friends) doesn't work in reality even if it's what we all want.
Unless, we have the means find and collect a good amount of resources from somewhere in space. And then maybe, for a period of time we could get along. But, as long as there is competition for resources I do not see why war is not a good option. People go on about "deaths" and "humanity". But it is common sense that overpopulation leads to all sorts of problems including the high demand for resources.

What is the realistic "peaceful" solution to this demand, overpopulation itself, and the long term control and distribution of resources? Widespread communism is not realistic because, besides everything thats wrong with it, corporations will do everything to fight it off and will lead to wars itself. Even though we don't like the horrors of war, it is the most effective, historically of dealing with these situations. I am not saying this justifies going on a killing spree and that diplomacy doesn't have it's place. Not to mention war, also has many environmental effects that we should worry about. But, real peace can only truly take place when everybody has everything they want, and that isn't going to happen because there isn't enough of everything.

The main reason I write this, is because I seriously want to know. What is wrong with the U.S. invading Iraq for oil? You can argue we have not seen a clear benefit from it yet, but I would argue that is an argument for poor execution of the war. And I would think our European friends should prefer U.S. control over Chinese or Islamic extremist control of oil. It is easy to be an anti-war person because you can yell out rants on how war is evil, without taking in to account the reality of the situation.
 
half of it is the fact that invading a region not exactly known for liking us period may come back to bite us in the ass.

the other half is that it was veiled with rhetoric about "spreading freedom and democracy". outright lies.
 
Human Life loss for Profit...

Capitalism at its worst.

War should never be the answer to problems such as this, it takes the life of so many just so you can drive to the end of your road and grab a 7up?

Sickening.
 
Hmmm... Capitalism isn't the only system under which wars were fought for resources. The entire human history consist of wars for resources. And it seems to be ignoring my point, only to trend the discussion into another topic.
 
it takes the life of so many just so you can walk to the end of your road and grab a 7up?

Sickening.

I agree, 7up is gross.

I drink Mountain Dew on the backs of the oppressed.
 
Human Life loss for Profit...

Capitalism at its worst.

War should never be the answer to problems such as this, it takes the life of so many just so you can walk to the end of your road and grab a 7up?

Sickening.



I got news for you. It happens under communism, totaltarianism, socialism, or any other kind of government. Ever since the dawn of time, people have fought for resources.
 
I got news for you. It happens under communism, totaltarianism, socialism, or any other kind of government. Ever since the dawn of time, people have fought for resources.

Never said it doesn't.

I was merely referring more to the US's (Capitalist Country) War in Iraq, which many speculate is just for the oil.

My point is not to attack any system but rather to attempt and point out the sheer lack of moral in it all...

Just because this has been happening since the dawn of time doesn't make it right.
 
war kills, so people cry, people cry which makes robo sad, when robos sad he cries, when robo cries he comes here, which makes him see this thread and cry more.
thanks alot jerk
 
To help with the point I am trying to make.

Native Americans did have their wars, but compared to Europe things weren't as ugly between the nations. Part of that has to do with the fact that they were basically provided with everything they needed and wanted. Plenty of food and land, little reason for war. It had nothing to do with that they were better people than the Europeans and everything to do with the lack of reasons for war.

But, the problem is, we have a huge human population that is consuming a lot of resources. There is no realistic peaceful solution to this. Cutting consumption is one of the hardest things to accomplish, and while attempts should be made to reduce consumption levels, that alone isn't going get very far.

As for oil. Investing in alternative energies is the best solution for dealing with that. And hopefully the transformation period goes by smoothly.
 
I guess I ask, because it seems obvious to me that as population grows the demand for resources only increases. And war is a good way to gain control over these resources. Not to forget that every war has been about resources.

War is a good way to gain control over resources? Maybe in CIV. :crazyeye:

When's the last time someone has successfully done this, on a large scale? World War 2?

Why hasn't it happened since? Ask yourself that.
 
War is a good way to gain control over resources? Maybe in CIV. :crazyeye:

When's the last time someone has successfully done this, on a large scale? World War 2?

Why hasn't it happened since? Ask yourself that.

dont we control of alot of oil in the middle east right now? (we as in US)
 
"large scale". You are correct that no one can honestly admit there has been a real success in that.
 
Yea, robo. But, we aren't really benefiting from it. I think that's the point warpus was making.

EDIT: Plus, the level of control we have, I think is tricky to figure out.
 
I'm sorry. I am somewhat depressed talking about this topic myself.
Maybe I should of never started it.

war kills, so people cry, people cry which makes robo sad, when robos sad he cries, when robo cries he comes here, which makes him see this thread and cry more.
thanks alot jerk
 
I'm sorry. I am somewhat depressed talking about this topic myself.
Maybe I should of never started it.

maybe we can cry together??? that makes me happy!!!
 
Populations can be curbed with child limits.
 
War for resource isn't wrong per say, as long as said resource is necessary and all other options have been exausted.

We had no shortage of oil.

I agree, 7up is gross.

I drink Mountain Dew on the backs of the oppressed.

I can't believe no one gave ecofarm mad props for this one.
 
I guess I ask, because it seems obvious to me that as population grows the demand for resources only increases. And war is a good way to gain control over these resources. Not to forget that every war has been about resources.

Some people will say, well, how would you feel if China or Russia went to war with you over oil? I would be upset, but that isn't the point. Even though they would never invade us under current circumstances, if the U.S. does become weak, why shouldn't China, let's say, invade Alaska for the oil that's there? Or Guam and other pacific islands for those benefits? Isn't it good for them so long as they don't over expand?

And that's not to say diplomacy and peace can't accomplish anything but it has more to do with the fact that I believe "sharing" resources simply cannot work in the long run. Even if you can get all nations to come to some sort of agreement, eventually the resources begin to run out and each nation will want to protect what it has, while making deals with allies. This idea that we can just all get along with EVERYBODY (and I stress that because it is still important to have friends) doesn't work in reality even if it's what we all want.
Unless, we have the means find and collect a good amount of resources from somewhere in space. And then maybe, for a period of time we could get along. But, as long as there is competition for resources I do not see why war is not a good option. People go on about "deaths" and "humanity". But it is common sense that overpopulation leads to all sorts of problems including the high demand for resources.

What is the realistic "peaceful" solution to this demand, overpopulation itself, and the long term control and distribution of resources? Widespread communism is not realistic because, besides everything thats wrong with it, corporations will do everything to fight it off and will lead to wars itself. Even though we don't like the horrors of war, it is the most effective, historically of dealing with these situations. I am not saying this justifies going on a killing spree and that diplomacy doesn't have it's place. Not to mention war, also has many environmental effects that we should worry about. But, real peace can only truly take place when everybody has everything they want, and that isn't going to happen because there isn't enough of everything.

The main reason I write this, is because I seriously want to know. What is wrong with the U.S. invading Iraq for oil? You can argue we have not seen a clear benefit from it yet, but I would argue that is an argument for poor execution of the war. And I would think our European friends should prefer U.S. control over Chinese or Islamic extremist control of oil. It is easy to be an anti-war person because you can yell out rants on how war is evil, without taking in to account the reality of the situation.

Man, the population sure is huge. I think I'm just going to go over to my neighbor's house right now, kill him, and take his house and his money.

Great stuff: It'll be less crowded, I'll be richer, its awesome!
 
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