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What happens in lord of the rings after the third age?

Discussion in 'Arts & Entertainment' started by caketastydelish, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish Deity

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    I've googled around, but only got vague ideas, no concrete answers. The elves leave (we already know that), Sauron is defeated, but other than the bare minimum I'm unsure what happens next, other than some of the main characters such as Aragon die.
     
  2. Chukchi Husky

    Chukchi Husky Lone Wolf

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    Apart from what's in the appendices, Tolkien did plan a sequel to The Lord of the Rings called The New Shadow, but abandoned the idea after 13 pages.
     
  3. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    As @Chukchi Husky noted, all we know about the Fourth Age is a barely started work implying some sort of shadow rising inside Gondor, such as Tolkien's reference to children playing at being orcs and goblins.

    That said, there was a total conversion mod for Rome Total War set in the Fourth Age:
    https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-fourth-age-total-war

    Their take on the age is that, as darkness ever grows in the hearts of men, part of the Reunited Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor would fall under the influence of the Shadow Cult and break away.
     
  4. Imaus

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    The Rising Shadow was abandoned because Tolkien literally couldn't make a story out of it. Youths turning to evil happens every once in a while, or society degrades, but I guess it happenning so close to the end of LOTR would be too odd, and there's no remaining major malignat forces left to either stoke a revival of Melkorism, Sauronism, or anything else. The Dragons are gone. Orcs are still around but vastly fewer than they ever have been and dying off. Elves are leaving. Something happens to the Dwarves, eventually, but we don't know what.

    And in two ages, the continents take on their 'modern' forms, but at what year analogous to us we don't know (maybe the ice age period would be the 'fifth' age of some 200k years, and the 'sixth age' the final movement therafter?) and the men of the first ages are vastly different from the men later - remember, Tolkien was 'officially' translating a long-lost book, the Rohan aren't, say, Scythianized Goths running around in 500 AD, but something far, far older, before Europe even existed, Rohirric was just translated to Old English and Dwarven to Old Norse and Westron to English.

    Rohirric sounds Dwarfish to me actually, with words like 'Kûd-dûkan', 'Turac', 'Logard' and the like, while Dwarfish sounds either more 'evil' or related to Semitic with words like khazâd, tarâg, shathûr, ishmêk; and of course this is all we know of Black Speech - Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul, Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búbhosh skai! -.

    Ah, to be a conlanger.... working for six decades or more on dozens of languages....but I digress.
     
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    Here is a list of known events from the Fourth Age, albeit not totally complete. The appendices provide the bulk of information, along with a few other sources published by Christopher Tolkien for his father posthumously. The best way to get information is to read the appendices. Gimli becomes a lord of the caves behind the Hornburg, while Legolas lives in the Ithilien forests for a while. Lots more happens, but you get the idea. A few things you might wonder about are wrapped up in those final few pages.
     
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    Oh yeah, I forgot about it until I re-read that page, but Durin actually wakes again at some point and retakes Moria. Did you know he dies and resurrects several times?*

    *According to Dwarf legend.
     
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    I like to think Arda becomes the Earth, as Iluvatar had planned to leave it for the Men. It's just a past we forgot, probably because we wanted to.
     

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