What has Obama done for the economy?

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The economy is in a nose dive but at least it seems P.E. Obama has managed to keep one sector of American economy in booming health and he hasn't even taken office yet!

In recognition of the unprecedented demand for firearms by nervous consumers, The Outdoor Wire has named President-elect Barack Obama its "Gun Salesman of the Year". For me, it was a simple fact of recognizing that without President-elect Obama's frightening consumers into action, the firearms industry might be suffering the same sort of business slumps that have befallen the automotive and housing industries.

It's credit where credit is due. Mr. Obama has consistently voted against individual rights to firearms, appointed a re-tread Clinton administration full of gun banners, and made it plain to anti-gun groups that despite what he might say to the contrary, he's on their side. That history, along with the unquestioned support of anti-gun organizations has spooked consumers into a buying frenzy for firearms that could be outlawed in another Assault Weapons Ban.

Manufacturers are months behind on orders for semi-automatic pistols, AR-style rifles, and anything with so-called 'high-capacity magazines, buyers we've surveyed across the country seem to have a single explanation for their rush to purchase firearms - Obama.

The buying panic is not limited to people you might be described as aficionados or even 'gun nuts'. Recently, I was in a gun store when a gentleman came and said he'd never wanted to own a gun before, but wanted to get one while he still could."

Since the November Presidential election, firearms sales have been at unprecedented levels. For December 2008 the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) recorded a twenty-four percent increase in background checks for 2008 (1,523,426) over December 2007 (1,230,525).

This follows a forty-two percent (42%) increase in November 2008, the highest number of NICS checks in the system's history. Those FBI background checks are required under federal law for all individuals purchasing firearms from federally licensed firearms retailers. In other words, gun sales have never been better.

Sales are so good that on Tuesday, January 6, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) issued a notice to all federal firearms licensees that an unprecedented increase in demand for ATF Form 4473 had run supplies low enough that dealers were temporarily given permission to photocopy the form until supplies caught up with demand. Completion of a form 4473 is required whenever a federal firearms licensee sells a fire. .arm.

As a journalist with more than two decades of national newsgathering experience, I've never seen anything approaching what he calls the "Obama effect". In fact, gun and ammunition sales are at such frantic levels that they have surpassed the panic-buying of Y2K or anything during the Clinton years when the first Assault Weapons Ban was passed. This time, he says, concerned consumers are buying guns and ammunition in anticipation of Obama Administration actions to prohibit certain types of firearms.

In 1999, the fear was that computers would shut down, crippling the world. Those fears were unfounded. I don't think the fears of an Obama administration banning guns are unfounded. His record speaks for itself. He's never failed to support an anti-gun measure, despite saying he supports the Second Amendment.

Moves to prohibit firearms sales would drastically impact a billion-dollar industry that is not only healthy, but pours more than one hundred fifty million dollars annually into conservation programs through an eleven percent tax collected on guns and ammo.

The Pittman-Robertson Act provides the vast majority of funding for wildlife agencies at the federal, state and local levels and that money comes directly from the tax levied against gun owners. Damaging the firearms industry won't just put workers in the gun business out of work, it will severely impact wildlife and conservation efforts nationally. That damage could take decades to repair - if it can be undone."

Choosing President-elect Obama as the Gun Salesman of the Year is a lot like a good-news, bad-news joke.His election has driven gun sales into the stratosphere, but his opposition to guns and gun ownership may be the biggest threat the industry has ever faced. If he puts scoring political points with anti-gun groups ahead of economic realities, he will be deliberately putting thousands of people out of work. I don't see that as an economic stimulus plan with much of a future."

"Today, the facts are indisputable. Barack Obama has spurred gun sales in a time when the entire economy seems to be tanking. If that doesn't make him the gun salesman of the year - if not the decade - I don't know what would.

- Jim Shepherd

http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/archives/2009-01-14

I can only see this as a good thing. While I hate the fact that guns are more expensive due to the demand I love the fact that more and more people are becoming gun owners. Strength in numbers.
 

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The economy is in a nose dive but at least it seems P.E. Obama has managed to keep one sector of American economy in booming health and he hasn't even taken office yet!



http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/archives/2009-01-14

I can only see this as a good thing. While I hate the fact that guns are more expensive due to the demand I love the fact that more and more people are becoming gun owners. Strength in numbers.

Boys and their toys. Only in America.:crazyeye::lol:
 

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Boys and their toys. Only in America.:crazyeye::lol:
Yeah....the idea of owning a gun is associated with gang members in the UK!

Though airsoft I do enjoy. Maybe we need to persude these Americans that shootign each other with BB guns in a controlled environment is far mroe sensiable than carryign around actual handguns and rifles....
 

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Yeah....the idea of owning a gun is associated with gang members in the UK!

Though airsoft I do enjoy. Maybe we need to persude these Americans that shootign each other with BB guns in a controlled environment is far mroe sensiable than carryign around actual handguns and rifles....

Paintball is even better. Saturday night bar brawls would fun. And colourful!:lol:
 

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Yeah....the idea of owning a gun is associated with gang members in the UK!

Though airsoft I do enjoy. Maybe we need to persude these Americans that shootign each other with BB guns in a controlled environment is far mroe sensiable than carryign around actual handguns and rifles....

I'm really sorry but save your advise please. If someone breaks into your home in the UK you better make them some tea cause if you lay a hand on them your going to jail? I'll pass.

I really love the UK but I can not wrap my head around your self defense laws sometimes.
 

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Though airsoft I do enjoy. Maybe we need to persude these Americans that shootign each other with BB guns in a controlled environment is far mroe sensiable than carryign around actual handguns and rifles....

You can't kill redcoats with a BB gun.
 

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I'm really sorry but save your advise please. If someone breaks into your home in the UK you better make them some tea cause if you lay a hand on them your going to jail? I'll pass.

I really love the UK but I can not wrap my head around your self defense laws sometimes.

You can knock someone out who enters your home here. You just can't kill them.
 

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You can't kill redcoats with a BB gun.

Think yougo to jail in the UK for shooting a burgler with a BB gun if he breaks into your home? UK types, whats the story there?
 

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You can knock someone out who enters your home here. You just can't kill them.

So if a struggle happens and say the bloke goes down the stairs and headfirst into the telly and BBC 2... what then? I mean really, does your government expect you to dress up like Kato and kick the guys ass?:crazyeye:
 

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I'm really sorry but save your advise please. If someone breaks into your home in the UK you better make them some tea cause if you lay a hand on them your going to jail? I'll pass.

I really love the UK but I can not wrap my head around your self defense laws sometimes.

When was the last time anyone went to jail in the UK for defending themselves in their own home? How many years ago? Do you know? If so maybe you can tell us. We'd really like to know exactly (with sources please).
 

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I'm really sorry but save your advise please. If someone breaks into your home in the UK you better make them some tea cause if you lay a hand on them your going to jail? I'll pass.

I really love the UK but I can not wrap my head around your self defense laws sometimes.
I have no probelm with beating the crap out of someone who enters your home. My problem is more the fact that having guns easily available isn't a healthy environment.
 

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There used to be a lovely pro-gun site in the UK that was a parody of something called the Gun Control Network. I got permission from the owner of the site to use some of their slogans as my email sigs. Here are some nice tidbits. As others have said, I love you guys across the pond, but man I'll never understand you sometimes.

We believe...That gun control works, which is why there are no illegal
weapons in Northern Ireland or Beirut.
http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/ - "Rogering you for a safer tomorrow"

We believe...That the "Reasonable" uses for guns are hunting and target
shooting, but not self-defense. In other words, it's acceptable to use
them as toys but not as lifesaving devices.
http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/ - "Rogering you for a safer tomorrow"

We believe...That a gun is a symbolic penis...What this has to do with
defending one's life I have no idea. It simply serves to prove that
anti-defense shrinks have Freudian issues that THEY need to address.
http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/ - "Rogering you for a safer tomorrow"

We believe...That car keys, umbrellas and hairspray are good tools for
self-defense, despite the fact that police continue to carry guns.
http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/ - "Rogering you for a safer tomorrow"
 

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I have no probelm with beating the crap out of someone who enters your home. My problem is more the fact that having guns easily available isn't a healthy environment.

Mabey in the congo yet it's worked rather well for Americans. I don't think even in the most gun friendly state you can just walk in and pick up a weapon. Also, my problem is you telling me what is a healthy environment : )

bang bang!
 

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Americans need to be investing more wisely and spending more wisely, or the economy is not going to recover as fast as it could. While one could say a rifle is an investment, it's probably not the most prudent investment, since it only recovers a return in certain circumstances.
 

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So if a struggle happens and say the bloke goes down the stairs and headfirst into the telly and BBC 2... what then? I mean really, does your government expect you to dress up like Kato and kick the guys ass?:crazyeye:

They probably question your feng shui... how many people have TVs at the bottom of their stairs?
 

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We believe...That gun control works, which is why there are no illegal weapons in Northern Ireland or Beirut.

They really can't be THAT stupid can they?
 

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When was the last time anyone went to jail in the UK for defending themselves in their own home? How many years ago? Do you know? If so maybe you can tell us. We'd really like to know exactly (with sources please).

It was an example, apprently a good one. If you enjoy living in a place with strict gun control good for you! I support your right to live there and be happy! Me personally, I like guns and I own several. I'm rather skilled with rifles and shotguns though my pistol shooting needs work.
 

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It was a parody site. My fav picture on the whole thing was one of a British bobby standing there with her hand forward saying "Stop, or I shall have to say stop again!"
 

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They probably question your feng shui... how many people have TVs at the bottom of their stairs?

Is that a tea cosey on his head? :mischief:
 

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For the record I support the right of Her Majesty's subjects to dress up like Kato and kick the crap out of home invaders.
 
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