What If God Was Real And Manifested Proving It?

[Zardnaar]

As the title says. Basically manifests like the Bible and one couldn't deny it. Eg big booming voice from the sky laying down the law.

Won't nit pick on specific specific details between Jusaism/Islam/Christianity but God's values are more old testament depiction. Humans may have got the scripture wrong about say gender roles but there's a bit of though shalt not whatever.

Say half of the rules are correct along with the 10 commandments and monotheism part.

Failure to comply one way ticket to hell or your city is destroyed.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All you need for a big booming voice is either a loudspeaker or Brian Blessed, neither of which are sufficient evidence for anything supernatural.

 

[Zardnaar]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All you need for a big booming voice is either a loudspeaker or Brian Blessed, neither of which are sufficient evidence for anything supernatural.

Replace with required proof. Angel turns up waves hand someone dies, resurrection, pillars of salt etc and you directly witness it.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Something like This?

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't see any way in which a god could manifestly prove they are a god. Any being with sufficient power - or tech - can convince you it is a god.
For obvious reasons, it is even more impossible for it to prove it's a specific god.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Your version of what a manifestation of God emerging would be like is self-fulfilling: undeniable "magical events" would likely convince many and people would change their attitudes. Such an event would have to engage a significant portion of the population or it will not be deemed real by those who do not "experience it." An all at once, world wide experience would be of significant persuasive power. One question might be whether or not such a god uses destructive or non destructive events as the tool to demonstrate their power and glory.

The current list of godly manifestations have all been quiet, local events that slowly grew in power and believers. A sudden "big bang" approach seems out of character to what we have seen so far.

 

[EgonSpengler]

As the title says. Basically manifests like the Bible and one couldn't deny it. Eg big booming voice from the sky laying down the law.

Won't nit pick on specific specific details between Jusaism/Islam/Christianity but God's values are more old testament depiction. Humans may have got the scripture wrong about say gender roles but there's a bit of though shalt not whatever.

Say half of the rules are correct along with the 10 commandments and monotheism part.

Failure to comply one way ticket to hell or your city is destroyed.

Most religious people would reject Him/Her/It/Them, because it wouldn't match their particular religious scripture and dogma. Agnostics and atheists would assume it was a hoax or evidence of extraterrestrials.

Replace with required proof. Angel turns up waves hand someone dies, resurrection, pillars of salt etc and you directly witness it.

Stage magicians have proven that we 'witness' things that aren't there. I can be tricked. You can be tricked. Humans are so easily misled it's ridiculous. So there would need to be rigorous scientific study of... what, exactly? What would we be testing for or examining? If you're proposing that some as-yet unidentified phenomena would be interpreted as 'evidence' of God and angels, well, that's just religion, and religious people don't need to witness anything supernatural for themselves to believe it anyway.

 

[Zardnaar]

Most religious people would reject Him/Her/It/Them, because it wouldn't match their particular religious scripture and dogma. Agnostics and atheists would assume it was a hoax or evidence of extraterrestrials.


Stage magicians have proven that we 'witness' things that aren't there. I can be tricked. You can be tricked. Humans are so easily misled it's ridiculous. So there would need to be rigorous scientific study of... what, exactly? What would we be testing for or examining? If you're proposing that some as-yet unidentified phenomena would be interpreted as 'evidence' of God and angels, well, that's just religion, and religious people don't need to witness anything supernatural for themselves to believe it anyway.

Well as I said it's proved to your satisfaction.

Resurrection of a loved one, fiery chariot, angels, insert miracle of your choice. Or disaster

 

[Birdjaguar]

Raise the Titanic with aboard living!
Undo Babel in an instant: one world language understood and spoken by all.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Well as I said it's proved to your satisfaction.

Resurrection of a loved one, fiery chariot, angels, insert miracle of your choice. Or disaster

Fiery chariot? I don't even know what that is. 'Angel' and 'miracle' are both religious terms, not self-evident phenomena. Disasters are natural or man-made. The 'resurrection of a loved one' would be some kind of hoax, or an imposter, or maybe it's evidence that the person's death had been falsified or misreported in the first place. You have to already believe in the divine to attribute a divine cause to something like that.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Raise the Titanic with aboard living!

Hoax. Stage magicians backed by a billionaire.

Undo Babel in an instant: one world language understood and spoken by all.

Extraterrestrials using advanced nanotech so they can speak to all of humanity simultaneously without showing favoritism to any one Human culture is a more plausible hypothesis to explain that than God.

 

[sophie]

If god performed the actions necessary to cause me to believe in god then yes I would believe in god…?? what on earth is this thread?

if you showed a given rectangle to have 4 equal sides would it be a square?

 

[Zardnaar]

If god performed the actions necessary to cause me to believe in god then yes I would believe in god…?? what on earth is this thread?

if you showed a given rectangle to have 4 equal sides would it be a square?

Ots more what woukd you do if the commands were more 1500-2500 years ago.

Hoax. Stage magicians backed by a billionaire.


Extraterrestrials using advanced nanotech so they can speak to all of humanity simultaneously without showing favoritism to any one Human culture is a more plausible hypothesis to explain that than God.

Well as I said God can also punish you.

By divine acts raises a volcano where you shouldn't be able to or angel of death passes over a bation etc.

Targeted obliteration (city, baton etc) if required against sufficiently offensive group.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Your version of what a manifestation of God emerging would be like is self-fulfilling: undeniable "magical events" would likely convince many and people would change their attitudes. Such an event would have to engage a significant portion of the population or it will not be deemed real by those who do not "experience it." An all at once, world wide experience would be of significant persuasive power. One question might be whether or not such a god uses destructive or non destructive events as the tool to demonstrate their power and glory.

The current list of godly manifestations have all been quiet, local events that slowly grew in power and believers. A sudden "big bang" approach seems out of character to what we have seen so far.

It would have to engage everyone. As in EVERYONE. Atheists and scientists included. ALL religious faiths would have to experience it the same way and reach the same conclusions.

It's an all-or-nothing.

Well as I said it's proved to your satisfaction.

Resurrection of a loved one, fiery chariot, angels, insert miracle of your choice. Or disaster

Hm. Resurrection of people who have been cremated, and about whom little or no public knowledge exists. Ditto pets. If someone's going to claim to have such powers and offers to resurrect my loved ones, I'd like my grandparents, my dad, and my deceased pets back. My great-aunt, too; she would be amazed at how the world is today, and encouraged me in my writing, as far back as high school, and I kept her own notebooks and scrapbooks, as she was writing a history of our family. And even though I never actually met him, bring back Carl Sagan so we can have his input as to whether this is a case of sufficiently extraordinary evidence.

Raise the Titanic with aboard living!
Undo Babel in an instant: one world language understood and spoken by all.

You know there are some people who wouldn't believe it to be the real Titanic unless Jack and Rose were on it.

As for undoing Babel, there's no evidence that it ever existed. And having only one language would be not only boring, but annoying. What use would people in the Sahara have for the multiple expressions for cold-weather phenomena? I get puzzled reactions from some Americans when I talk about wet snow and dry snow and how snow smells.

 

[Angst]

if i was personally convinced of a god, i would believe that god existed.

as i have no proof atm i remain atheist, as much as i'd like a (loving!) wise arbiter of humanity

that said the biblical god was despite many of its further iterations of humility and charity and patience and forgiveness and whatever, for most of its writing, is contemporarily an interpretation of a tribal war god, and without the context, reading the old testament makes the guy feel like a malevolent lovecraftian tyrant

so if there was something as supreme and omniscient as the biblical god, i guess i would submit, but i'd really hope these dice of fate made him the more compassionate iteration

 

[Zardnaar]

It would have to engage everyone. As in EVERYONE. Atheists and scientists included. ALL religious faiths would have to experience it the same way and reach the same conclusions.

It's an all-or-nothing.



Hm. Resurrection of people who have been cremated, and about whom little or no public knowledge exists. Ditto pets. If someone's going to claim to have such powers and offers to resurrect my loved ones, I'd like my grandparents, my dad, and my deceased pets back. My great-aunt, too; she would be amazed at how the world is today, and encouraged me in my writing, as far back as high school. And even though I never actually met him, bring back Carl Sagan so we can have his input as to whether this is a case of sufficiently extraordinary evidence.



You know there are some people who wouldn't believe it to be the real Titanic unless Jack and Rose were on it.

As for undoing Babel, there's no evidence that it ever existed. And having only one language would be not only boring, but annoying. What use would people in the Sahara have for the multiple expressions for cold-weather phenomena? I get puzzled reactions from some Americans when I talk about wet snow and dry snow and how snow smells.

Resurrection might be limited to recently deceased and not ones of old age.

Say a mass miracle at local hospital everyones cured, recently deceased resurrected repeated across the world.

Appropriate miracle or disaster whatever fliats your boat.

if i was personally convinced of a god, i would believe that god existed.

as i have no proof atm i remain atheist, as much as i'd like a (loving!) wise arbiter of humanity

that said the biblical god was despite many of its further iterations of humility and charity and patience and forgiveness and whatever, for most of its writing, is contemporarily an interpretation of a tribal war god, and without the context, reading the old testament makes the guy feel like a malevolent lovecraftian tyrant

so if there was something as supreme and omniscient as the biblical god, i guess i would submit, but i'd really hope these dice of fate made him the more compassionate iteration

Yeah it's hard because how much of that is true or that cultures distortion of what they thought God commanded or refelected in ancient cultural beliefs.

But potentially angry vengeful God to enemies, loving to the faithful I suppose.

I don't want to be to nitpick on the exact details but more old testament vs new.

 

[Angst]

Ots more what woukd you do if the commands were more 1500-2500 years ago.

wait now im confused. so the god would reveal itself as true, but not actually communicate with us? it would just be "I'M REAL" and then disappear?

how the hell are we supposed to know which biblical iteration is the true one, then? y'know a lot of original scripture has been lost, most of eg the king james' version was heavily edited and is full of translation errors.

 

[Zardnaar]

wait now im confused. so the god would reveal itself as true, but not actually communicate with us? it would just be "I'M REAL" and then disappear?

how the hell are we supposed to know which biblical iteration is the true one, then? y'know a lot of original scripture has been lost, most of eg the king james' version was heavily edited and is full of translation errors.

Yeah that's why I don't want to chery pick to much filtered through ancient cultures.

God turns up, can do everything mentioned in torah/bible/Koran, hangs around to prove it and is willing and able to punish disobedience en masse.

Punishment is hell or if bad enough divine retribution on earth.

 

[Angst]

Yeah that's why I don't want to chery pick to much filtered through ancient cultures.

God turns up, can do everything mentioned in torah/bible/Koran, hangs around to prove it and is willing and able to punish disobedience en masse.

Punishment is hell or if bad enough divine retribution on earth.

but how can we disobey if he doesn't command anything?

 

[Zardnaar]

but how can we disobey if he doesn't command anything?

I mentioned the ten commandments treat them as commands.

Rest of it where does God start vs cultural mores at the time.