What Shall We Tech after Theology? - Turn 79

[Sommerswerd]

These are our choices when Theology Finishes...

Feudalism 16 Turns 1046
Philosophy 18 Turns 1196
Divine Right 31 Turns 1794
Paper 16 Turns 897
Civil Service 18 Turns 1196
Aesthetics 7 Turns 448
Compass 9 Turns 598 (Already Requested from Quatronia)
Construction 8 Turns 592
Machinery 16 Turns 1046
Horseback Riding 11 Turns 373
Optics 16 Turns 897

Keep in Mind the following when voting:
1. Sirius has suggested that the Alliance Should Tech towards getting Astronomy ASAP (presumably to invade and eliminate M&M as quickly as possible).

Astronomy requires -->Calendar and Optics
Optics requires --> Compass and Machinery
We will get Calendar and later Compass from Quatronia, leaving Machinery and Optics to be researched.

2. Sirius is teching Civil Service.

3. Sirius has also expressed a desire to get Great Library, so they probably want to tech Aesthetics

EDIT: 4. CDZ is teching Machinery

EDIT: 5. Quatronia has teched Compass and indicated that they intend to tech Optics, but they need Machinery berfore Optics, since Machinery is a pre-requisite for Optics. So they have to tech something while waiting for CDZ to finish Machinery.

EDIT: We dont know what Quatronia is teching yet, but given the info above, our choices of tech are probably:

Feudalism 16 Turns 1046
Philosophy 18 Turns 1196
Divine Right 31 Turns 1794
Paper 16 Turns 897
Construction 8 Turns 592
Horseback Riding 11 Turns 373

 

[damnrunner]

I would go with construction. The other teams with a faster tech rate should go for the Astro path. And we are at war.

 

[Calis]

If CDZ does not tech Construction already, it is my choice, too.

 

[Sommerswerd]

We now know that CDZ is teching Machinery, but we still dont know what Quatronia is getting.

 

[2metraninja]

Construction and then Feudalism. Both military techs and on a side note - best turns/beakers ratio of all. Construction will give us also bonus to chopping if we still do have something to chop.

Having said that team Amazon is not on the smart side of the bunch, how we will proceed in the future? Are we going to count on the other civs go share their advanced technologies with us in unequal tech deals as we will producing the less beakers of all our allies? Or trying to build up some science industry ourselves? Or counting on super production + large population and territory to provide military protection for our less powerful but educated allies in exchange of which they will give us their technologies?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Are we going to count on the other civs go share their advanced technologies with us in unequal tech deals as we will producing the less beakers of all our allies?

Yes, that is exactly what we are doing

We have a treaty with our allies called the ETTT, which requires all the members of the alliance to gift their tech to each other as soon as they discover it, without counting beakers. Here is a link to the treaty:

The ETTT

The relevant section is this

Section 4. Trading Policies

4.4. All technology shall be shared openly, upon request, without regard to beaker value.

FYI, everyone, I put copies of bot treaties (The SAP and The ETTT) in the AMAZON Constitution thread... I just got tired of looking for them everytime I needed to see the terms

 

[2metraninja]

Thats good, but how long the ETTT treaty will be viable? After we eliminate the non-members of the treaty, then what? A new block or blocks must be formed or all will go for themselves. If we are not the smartest or even reasonable - smart by then, who will want us to be their allies if this sets their team back? Or we will use then our super production and population to overwhelm some of them and catching with science? I read about the 4vs1 -> 3vs1 -> 2vs1 -> 1on1 plan, but what will guarantee us that we will not fall in the "1" before the "1on1" stage ? At some point technology will be important so much, that raw power will not be able to compensate.