What social class are you?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ComradeDavo, May 26, 2008.

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What social class would you/your family describe yourself as?

  1. Working Class

    12.0%
  2. Lower Middle Class

    15.3%
  3. Middle Class

    34.0%
  4. Upper Middle Class

    25.3%
  5. Upper Class

    7.3%
  6. Dunno?

    6.0%
  1. Arwon

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    Nope, not necessarily. Your position is fanatical anti-commie over-reach. How is "working" substantially different to "labour" other than semantically? Yet "labour" never applies to doctors, does it. Despite the fact that doctors do, one could say, labour away for longer than many working class people.

    Shock horror, common words have multiple senses, and workers/working has well-established sense of being applied in the manner it's being applied. When people talk about "workers" they ain't never talking about the boss. Yet the boss still has "work" to do, using another sense of the same word. Just like one can be a professional construction worker but never referred to as "a professional." Words have contexts!

    Also I was referring to your silly little invocation of the "PC brigade" strawman myth.
     
  2. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    I don't know.

    Comparing the income on which I live...

    Compared to the rest of my city? Lower middle class income.
    Compared to the country? Middle class income.
    Compared to the EU or the US? Low working class income.
    Compared to the world? Upper class income.

    However, I don't work... Especially since it's not legal to work here at this age (you need to be 18). Thus, I'm in... no class?
     
  3. Grisu

    Grisu Draghetto Retired Moderator

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    why do you begrudge me upper middle class status :cry: ;)

    nah, you might be right. It's just that I put upper middle class closer to middle class than to upper class. after upper middle class there's quite a gap to upper class (in my model).

    that might be one of the sources of disagreement...unlike the UK and most other european countries we didn't have any aristocracy and nobility for a long time so the concept of defining class based on heritage is a bit foreign to me.
     
  4. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    Fair enough:)

    I think the sum of it is that the UK is rather obsessed with celebrity nowadays, they are the new 'upper class' as such, thus I then use 'upper middle class' to represent the very wealthy, which you count as 'upper class'.

    That makes sense, our class divisions were/are greatly influenced by that factor!
     
  5. AceChilla

    AceChilla Goedheiligman

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    That seems to be a contradiction to me since David Beckham is a typical example of a working class guy who happens to play football rather well. That he is now loaded didn't change his general mindset, culture or background.

    Owning a bussiness in my mind also has nothing to do with class. People who own a porn movie production company are probably not considered upper class by upper class people.

    To me upper class are the "patricians" of our times and often from families that have been "patricians" for a long time. These families tend to produce politicians, lawyers, judges, members of boards of international companies" etc. on regular basis. Often go to the same schools, universities are members of their own little clubs and practive their own sports (polo for instance).

    You can achieve whatever you want in life, maybe even become prime minister but to those people with that upper class mindset, you will probably never be "their kind of people" just because of your background. In older times ofcourse it had to do with being of nobility.
     
  6. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    Hahaha....

    According to that me and my father are lower than unemployed. My father makes around $6200 a year, and we BOTH live from that. That would make it around $3100 for each.

    HOWEVER... I get sponsorships from foundations and such, which I CANNOT use for myself freely, but which allow me to travel abroad around 1 week a month. So while I am going somewhere, I'm staying in hotels, etc, but when I am home, I'm struggling badly with money.


    BUT, if we base social class on anything ELSE than income, then I believe I am upper class. Let's see - my family has always had highly respected positions, my father being an university professor, my grandfather an army general and philosopher, my great-grandfather a mayor and minister, all have finished at least one university with great marks, I get to be on TV about once a week and I can act with exaggeratedly good manners if I feel the need to, I'm often invited to concerts by people generally viewed as upper class, or to their birthdays, meetings, etc.

    So I don't really know what to vote for. According to income, I'm lower than lower lower class. But according to other definitions, quite far from that. :crazyeye: I don't know what to vote. I live a life full of contradictions. :p
     
  7. JerichoHill

    JerichoHill Bedrock of Knowledge

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    I submitted "upper class" as that is what our tax bracket indicates. My wife and I both hold a few advanced degrees. However, if you came over to our house, one would probably put us at "middle class" and "frugal". We don't spend our money willy-nilly, and I find it odd that big spenders are now synonymous with upper class. For a good bit of the upper class (income) that is not the case(see: Millionaire Next Door). It's true in the extreme, but false for the general. I also take issue with Ram's elitist archetypes of the upper class. He chooses words with good meanings and symbols for the lower incomes, but uses negative ones for high income earners. Which is frankly insulting, because one's social class doesn't just depend on one's income, but on how one lives. We *could* live in a penthouse condo on the potomac in Georgetown, but we choose to live in 1/2 of a duplex in Alexandria. The only "elitist" label that sticks to me is the one that Hillary stuck on all economists.

    Our friends are an eclectic mix of race, age, education, and income. Because there's little relationship between "social standing" and demographics in our circle of friends, I struggle to even begin to define a particular class in practical terms. The only real common trait amongst our group is that we're all involved in some way in our jobs on improving living conditions and upholding rule of law.
     
  8. Ecofarm

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    This thread went from boring to mortifyingly pathetic.

    Listen. (Yes, I'm Vonnegut)

    If you are lower-middle, middle, middle-middle, or upper-middle... just spare us the boring details of your mundane and entirely common existence. If I have to listen to one more proletariat blab on about their averageness, I'm going to vomit.

    Unless you are UPPER or LOWER class, just spare us your entirely uninteresting biography.
     
  9. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    Well, I've been told I could play anywhere from the Dregs of society to the lowest rungs of the Upper classes :cool:

    So, yeah, my family stretches right across the board.
     
  10. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    I'm probably the low end of upper-class or the high end of high middle class. The rest of my extended family is middle- to working-class.
     
  11. JerichoHill

    JerichoHill Bedrock of Knowledge

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    But everyone wants to be average.

    Would you rather I blow my top 3% of American households income on caviar and sports jets?
     
  12. Rambuchan

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    I'm not talking about "high income earners". I'm talking about "the upper classes".

    In particular, the British upper classes. The values I stated may also be said of other European upper classes, or Indian or Chinese for that matter too. Or indeed many other "old world", post-feudal society, upper classes. Perhaps the terms "aristocracy" or "nobility" would be clearer and more helpful?

    You've even noted the difference between "upper classes" and "high income earners" in this post I've quoted, yet inconsistently applied the terms. As I see it, when speaking of this social bracket and from the culture I am posting from, it has nothing to do with earning power, because the aristocracy typically do not earn their position in society. They just get born into it. And the lifestyles they live, with the values thus displayed, generally bear out the values that I stated. The same may not be true in North America, which might explain your problems with my previous post.

    So all is not lost and you don't need to take my comments personally. There is of course at play here the variance in US and British cultural perspectives on the issue of class too. For example, based on what you've written about your lifestyle, you would most probably be categorised as "middle class" in England. Again, this is regardless of your earning power.

    As for the language I've used, I stated my personal distaste disclaimer before I went through the values I have observed in my time. And the offence one may or may not take at my comments depends on how you define "elitist". I tend to define it as "the concentration of power in the hands of a social elite". You, on the other hand, in taking it to mean something associated with a meritocracy, consistently ignore the issue of power in society, which I in turn find quite disingenuous. But again, this may just be down to differing cultural perspectives.
     
  13. gangleri2001

    gangleri2001 Garbage day!!!

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    What about the marginalized class?
     
  14. Stolen Rutters

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    ... but most of us actually live in something resembling a meritocracy. Bill Clinton was not born into a high class. He was raised by his grandparents who owned a small grocery store in a small town. Hillary Clinton was born to a father who managed a small business textile factory. Barack Obama was raised by his grandparents most of his young life... his grandfather was in the military at one time. John McCain's dad was a naval officer.

    It is the Bushes and Kennedys who are the rare oddballs around the halls of our elite colleges. The inherited wealthy are vastly outnumbered by the first generation wealthy. Heck, even Ken Lay was born to a poor family, and Andy Fastow's parents were in merchandising.

    I guess the successful business class is our upper class, the people you would call upper middle class.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_upper_class
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure_of_the_United_States
     
  15. JerichoHill

    JerichoHill Bedrock of Knowledge

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    Thats a great post Rutters
     
  16. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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  17. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    In Czech Rep., my family is lower middle class. It's the price my parents had to pay for having 3 kids. One less kid and they'd be middle middle class.
     
  18. LucyDuke

    LucyDuke staring at the clock

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    You promise? 'Cause I'll blab for a while if I can help you regurgitate your cruelty-free bean sprouts and forest fairy berries. :)
     
  19. Leonel

    Leonel Breakfast Connoisseur

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    I dunno what the requirements for each class are but I can assume I'm in the lower middle/straight middle class. Somewhere there I think.
     
  20. Stolen Rutters

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    We're here to blab? I'll start.

    Spoiler :
    OK, nothing to see here. I don't want anyone to vomit.
     

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