Different people seem to dislike different things about how the HOF and EQM works. Some people don't like to play the required Time Victory game(s). Others think that Marathon games are cheesy. Others feel that Religious Victories make achieving EQM easier than it should be. What annoys me the most is having Vanila games required and campared against BTS games that have a different set of dates for the turns played. I think that playes who use the outadated beta version of the game that we like to call Vanila so that they can get earlier finish dates against an easier AI to achieve the coveted 100% in the HOF tables are just as guilty of cheese as players who play several tiny, religious, or marathon speed games. Lobying to make those high scoring Vanila games somehow more important is even cheesier IMHO. My suggestion is to ban Vanila and Warlords games from EQM to make a truely even playing field. BTS has been out for a long time now. It is the complete version of the game and should be the version of choice for EQM games. edit: At the very least, there should be a BTS section added to the current Vanlia+Warlonds and All Expansions. The BTS section would eliminate the need to play a Vanila SS game and populate the HOF tables only with games where players used the up to date version of the game...a.k.a. BTS. Ideally the HOF abd EQM tables would default to BTS and requre a user to change the drop down filter to display Vanila and/or Warlords games.