Discussion in 'World History' started by STB93, Jan 15, 2013.
Hahaha, so clearly my mate also stole that from the internet.
I think they'd be surprised at how easy it is to plagiarize nowadays.
And how easy it is to be found doing so.
I think they'd be surprised at how easy it is to plagiarise nowadays.
And how easy it is to be found doing so.
Sorry, but I couldn't resist doing that.
Pfft, I was the original plagiarist. I sniped that joke in the second reply to the thread.
(1) What happened to the Communist Bloc?
(2) The President of the United States is a what? His father is from where?
(3) Where is my flying car?
(4) The big threat to the US is Muslims?
(5) We went to the Moon and haven't been back since 1972 ?!?!?
(6) The world is worried about the Iranian nuclear program?
(7) We can send information instantly to anyone in the world, so we send them cute pictures of grammatically challenged cats?
(8) The tallest building in the world is in (give me that map again)?
(9) Well, at least some things remain constant. France will always be enemies with Germany and England, and... What's this European Union thing you're talking about?
(10) There's a war in Afghanistan? Of course, there's always a war in Afghanistan. And they are fighting against...wait a second...who? What are they doing there? How did they even get there? I'm confused...
I think you're right here, and not only about the capabilities of computers but also their form. I remember once being surprised, watching Star Trek, to see that Kirk had what looked very like a modern (i.e. mid-90s, I suppose) computer terminal on his desk. In fact it was so close that I hardly noticed it at first, and it took a moment to remember that this was made in the 1960s.
Look at this, for example - this could easily pass for a contemporary of the Apple II or similar, or even later:
This site has a fascinating study of the different kinds of computer terminals shown in the original Trek.
They're not exactly modern desktop computers, but they are still the same kind of idea, and a world away from what interacting with a computer was actually like in the 1960s. (Note also that the characters control the computers mainly by rather stilted speech, much like Siri.) It's easy now to laugh at the naive futurism of the original Trek, but they really had put a lot of thought into imagining how people would interact with technology in the future - even though, of course, actual technological change has (in some ways) already greatly outpaced what they imagined.
Maybe it would be better if this thread was from someone in 1912 instead of 1950
They probably would be relieved to know that we're not living in a post nuclear war wasteland.
Liberals/Civil Libertarians: "Women and minorities actually get treated equally under the law, everywhere? Golly gee, that's mighty swell! Why's the tax rate on plutocrats so low, though?"
Reactionaries: "No Jim Crow? Blacks get to vote everywhere? Women getting equal pay? Arrrrghhhh! You ing dirty commies....."
may be, but surely they'd expect us to live on the moon by now. at least.
My thoughts exactly.
^ That would be their reaction to absolutely everything.
It's also pretty universal - it'd be their reaction no matter if they were Murkan, British, Russian, Ottoman and so on.
Antisemitism was on the downswing around that time. The Dreyfuss Affair, was the Dreyfuss Affair precisely because it appeared to be borne of anti-Semitic prejudice. With exception to Eastern Europe and the Russian Empire, Jews had been emancipated from the ghetto, given full equal rights of citizenship, and were in a better position than they had been in centuries.
Well, the Dreyfus Affair was earlier than 1912. After the case, there were still several major pogroms in the Russian Empire, which were actually bloodier than 19th century ones.
Right, that's what I said. The Dreyfuss Affair was in the past, and the fact that it was an Affair I think signifies an improvement in the condition of the Western European Jews. Russia was going in something of the opposite direction at the time which is why many of the members of the Aliyah were Russian and Eastern European Jews.
Surely the Drefus Affair was an "affair" not because it was a highly unusual example of antisemitism at a time when antisemitism was on the wane, but because it was an incident where antisemitism (and other factors, including absurd nationalism) clashed so obviously with morality at such a high level and in such an embarrassing way for the French state. It would have been an "affair" and a major scandal even without the antisemitic element to it.
So, what, you think that anti-racism was only invented in the 1970s?
Yes Traitorfish, that is exactly what I think.
(And since I have rolled-eyes, I have won.)
Also, the way the prosecution of Dreyfus was handled violated a fair bit of French law, and there was reasonably obvious evidence fabrication, and the common sense would have had just about anyone skeptical of the case had it been public from the outset. I get the impression that Dreyfus's rather awkward mannerisms probably hurt him more than being Jewish did, at least in the beginning.
What do you think, then? So far it seems that your belief is that everyone from the 1950s backwards was a paranoid racist, so I don't really know what else I'm meant to make of that.
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