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What would the first year's death toll be from easy suicide?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Erik Mesoy, May 2, 2009.

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This is how much of a world death toll you'd expect during the *first year*.

Poll closed Aug 11, 2009.
  1. <1%

    19 vote(s)
    28.8%
  2. 1-5%

    23 vote(s)
    34.8%
  3. 6-10%

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  4. 11-20%

    6 vote(s)
    9.1%
  5. 21-30%

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
  6. 31-44%

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
  7. 45-55%

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  8. 56-69%

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
  9. 70-79%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 80-89%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. 90-94%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. 95-99%

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  13. >99%

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  1. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    It is that easy, if someone wants to kill themselves. Go step into traffic, hop out the window, OD on drugs in the cabinet, or grab a knife from the kitchen. Or, the old prison favorite: drown yourself in the toilet. Its not as if this "easy as blowing a raspberry" suicide is going to happen on accident, they still have to actually do it, and if they're going to do it, they're going to do it. If someone is going to chicken out, then they would do so before "blowing the raspberry." As I said, if someone wants to kill themselves, they're going it. If they don't, and are going to chicken out or are just doing it to get attention, then that will be revealed just the same. I don't think suicide rates would change at all.
     
  2. Moss

    Moss CFC Scribe Retired Moderator

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    I completely agree with Cheezy..

    Killing yourself is incredibly easy.
     
  3. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    Some of those killing methods seem prone to failure. Most people who get hit by a car or train don't die.
     
  4. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    If the car's going 20 mph, then perhaps not. But a car going 60 probably will. I have doubts about anyone being hit by a train and not dying, though.
     
  5. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    Well, I'm just trying to say that people who try to commit suicide won't necessarily succeed in doing so. Even shooting yourself in the head has a small survival rate. The suicide method in the OP is 100% effective and (probably) guaranteed to be quick and painless, so it could be argued that the suicide rate will increase.
     
  6. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    What makes you think people won't try to kill themselves more than once? If they want to die, they want to die, and failure isn't going to stop them.
     
  7. LucyDuke

    LucyDuke staring at the clock

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    This is important. Pain is a good deterrent.
     
  8. Erik Mesoy

    Erik Mesoy Core Tester / Intern

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    Cheezy, your ramblings appear to be highly at odds with the available statistics.
    http://www.forsuicidesurvivors.com/attempted-suicide-statistics.html
    (bold in original)

    I wish I had thought to look these up before posting the thread. :undecide:

     
  9. Elta

    Elta 我不会把这种

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    Less than 1%

    50 ounces of everclear should kill just about anyone and it is easily accessible. as easy blowing on a raspberry anyway.
     
  10. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    That doesn't really contradict anything I've said. Just because there are non-lethal suicide attempts doesn't mean that the same people don't attempt it again more successfully. Now, if you had data about people who attempt suicide multiple times, I'd be extremely interested.
     
  11. Elta

    Elta 我不会把这种

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    I have no source, but my 9th grade health book said this.


    Women in the U.S. attempt 3 times more suicide attemps than men and men still have 3 times more suicides. Men are just more successful at it. The theory is that women do it more for attention. While men actually intend to do it more often than not.

    This was in 2001 when I was in 9th grade.

    I'll see what I can do to dig up some numbers.

    P.S. I am not really paying attention to the discussion you are having with him, I just skimmed it, but I read your post and I thought my information might be relevant.
     
  12. scherbchen

    scherbchen well that can´t be good

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    oh please...

    there are so many levels of suicidal candidates that this question is bogus to begin with.

    some (like Jürgen Möllemann if I remember his name correctly) jump out of a plane and do not care what (splat down the middle of an Autobahn?) or whom they hit. some worry about how their corpses will be found and by whom. some worry about who has to clean up the mess.

    you want to put all of the above into one category? nevermind that I will surely have forgotten a lot of potential candidates.

    decimation is a pretty well-defined term. check your roman history.

    unless you have ever wanted to end your own life for whatever might be the reason I'd advise you to not presume.

    suicide has been a tradition as old as... well I was going to say the ancient greeks but I know somebody will trump me. it is old. people have done it when it was dirty and gritty. people have done it with a shotgun or pills and booze. they have even done it with self-aphixiation.
     
  13. eastsidebagel

    eastsidebagel Deity

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    Smart guy, uses smart words! :D
    Seriously, what does that mean in German?
     
  14. scherbchen

    scherbchen well that can´t be good

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    in the smart texts I read it is called just that. *pause for comedic timing*

    English bit: self-suffocation

    German bit: oh... boy.... selbst-strangulierung? Erstickungstod? Erstickungsfreitod?
     
  15. eastsidebagel

    eastsidebagel Deity

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    Believe me, using frequently smart words let you appear smarter over time too! :)

    Self-suffocation would be my least favourite method of suicide BTW, I'd prefer alcohol poisining or a heroin OD.
     
  16. Elta

    Elta 我不会把这种

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    To hell with that, I'd attack bears with spears in the forest whilst drunk until one took me down.

    Goin out like a man :D
     
  17. scherbchen

    scherbchen well that can´t be good

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    that is what I have been told in class.

    some teachers there would have corrected you to phrase it "frequently using smart words will allow you appear....". not me, though.

    PS: oi! it must be the satyr from the forum game taking hold of me!
    PPS: hlep!
    PPPS: yes you yanked my chain :)
     
  18. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    I really don't think people think that rationally when they attempt a suicide. If it fails, that gives them another try to think their actions over. They may only want release from the pain they feel (or perceive), not necessarily being dead.
     
  19. GoodGame

    GoodGame Red, White, & Blue, baby!

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    True, and do we know whether or not the attempts failed because perhaps they just wanted attention, but didn't really care to suceed?
     
  20. Zack

    Zack 99% hot gas

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    Isn't suicide already easy? You just pull a trigger.
     

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