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What's the worst fate?

Discussion in 'Fall from Heaven Lore' started by loocas, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. loocas

    loocas Chieftain

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    This question has been running through my head this afternoon. What's the worst thing that happens to anybody in the game?

    My first thought was the wife of the captain in the Radiant Guard scenario's Infernal ending, the rape by diseased corpses. That's hideous.

    But I might have to settle for Lita. It just hurts to imagine what she went through before she finally died, although I'm sure she lost her mind long before that.
     
  2. Aoleleb

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    Os-Gabella.

    Forced servitude. Unable to die. I'm sure she has tons of regrets. And the only way for her to finally end her suffering is to end everybody else's in the process.

    Of course, I could be assuming a lot concerning her emotional capacity, but I would think having to kill everyone else to kill yourself would weigh quite heavily on a person.
     
  3. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    Having one's soul consumed by a Vampire or Eater of Dreams would be among the worst.



    I'm pretty sure that Os-Gabella was created with the capacity for regret, and the full range of human emotions. In fact, the gods filled her with more of their aspects than they did the mother of mortal men, so her emotions are probably more intense than ours. Mammon however deprived her of the foresight to let her anticipate how much she will regret what she does, which could make it harder to learn to be more ethical. She is hated by the good gods, and does not seem to know that The One was really on her side, having originally ordained that none of the gods' creations be immortal and also having last came to Erebus to defend her from Aeron. I suspect she has a deep hatred for the god of lust, which is made even worse by the knowledge that he is also the god of hate and thus he views her hatred for him as worship. The fact that her adopted children who are likely the only ones she ever loved abandoned her to serve her would be rapist and essentially become the children he wanted to force her to produce for him must weigh heavily on her. (I suspect that she wasn't suicidal until after that betrayal.)
     
  4. Verdian

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    What Einon Logos's wife went through always seemed horrific to me. Although Lita may have had it worse because she was kept alive so much longer.

    I don't recall any diseased corpse rape in the scenarios. o_0 Is that what happens if you lose?
     
  5. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    Yes, Valledia's crime against Einion's wife was quite bad. If the Logos did not know how to dispel the rune her torture could have lasted forever.


    The Sect of the Flies rape occurs only if you betray Basium and ally with Hyborem instead.
     
  6. Kael

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    I always thought that Einion's suffering was worse than his wife's. Yes his wife's was horrible, but he had to kill her. Im sure he would have traded places with her if he could.

    As for suffering, Nemed has to be included in the bad list. He is probably worse off than Os-Gabella, as painful as her existence is, he is the one she takes it out on.
     
  7. Psychorg

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    Then again, Varn Gosam isn't exactly having a good time either (although not as bad as some of the others mentioned, it must be said). Just finding the strength to forgive Talia must have been hard - learning that she never did must have been awful.

    Incidentally, is it just a coincidence that Talia's name seems to be the feminine form of Tali, God of Winds and generally a rather flighty person?
     
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  9. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    In Latin it means "things of such a kind" (the neuter plural of talis, usually used with qualis/qualia defining what kind. It 's perhaps the most common way to make a simile.)

    Although it is probably just a coincidence, it could be used to indicate that Varn's wife is the same kind of woman as Kyorlin's wife was, an adulteress whose husband's love for her and her infidelity could lead to ruin.
     
  10. loocas

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    Combine those and you have a utility belt.

    Or a utilicorset (they exist) since it's waist. Utilicummerbund for the fellas.
     
  11. Darksaber1

    Darksaber1 Secret Emperor

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    [facepalm]:pained groan:. That, whew.
     
  12. Kael

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    Yeah, its an interesting but unintentional similarity. But if we do compare the two I like that it shows such a stark difference in how the men reacted to it. Both men loved their wives but Kylorin raged against his pain, allowing it to ruin him (at least during what would have been a mortal lifetime) while Varn forgives and goes on. I dont think that either cared about his wife less, but I like that there was a choice made by each, one rose and one fell.
     
  13. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    Well, I'm not the one who first pointed out the similarity, Os-Gabella (in the guise of an old crone in purple robes) is.
     
  14. Nikis-Knight

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    The Radiant Guard bad ending is definately up there, I reread that the other day, it's just painful to even read.
    Varn had many nearly crushing disappointments, but compared to the brutal torture meted out to that guardsman and his family or Einon's wife or to Nemed I don't think it merits inclusion in the list.

    Incidently, in our D&D game I'm going to let the players try to free Nemed... though I'll probably have to lure them there wtih a trail of gold coins.
     
  15. Psychic_Llamas

    Psychic_Llamas Wizard in the Making

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    i think the Leviathan had it pretty hard. having been created to protect an entire race and then fail at it, with the guilt of an entire race on your sholders and then being sent insane by the overlords. thatd suck.
     
  16. Psychic_Llamas

    Psychic_Llamas Wizard in the Making

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    now why would i want to do that? :p
     
  17. XV8crisis

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    From what I know of the back story I'm recalling the strongest evil hero from the regular FFHII. His back story had a woman being raped by a demon, birthing the hybrid demon children for years and at the end of it all to die in childbirth and be consumed by her own half demon offspring. THAT sounds pretty bad if you ask me.
     
  18. Jabie

    Jabie Wanted in Monte Carlo...

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    Doesn't have to be gold coins. Nemed has been around a long time and may have all sorts of useful information to impart to the PCs.
     
  19. Darksaber1

    Darksaber1 Secret Emperor

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    You mean Mardero?
     
  20. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    He means Lita the Witch, Mardero's mother.

    Based on the name of the cliffs from which Lita was thrown, it seems quite possible that the demon who raped her was Hastur, the Lord of Nightmarea andArchangel of Mammon, God of Mind and Greed.




    In the D&D campaign on which it was based, Lita was actually an Angel of Oghma. That gave her immunity to the effects of the fog with which Oghma had filled her vault to thwart Mammon's invasion. It drove any mortals or demons who entered it insane, making them forget who they were and what they were doing there. Oghma's libraries held an extremely important secret which Mammon wanted, but even if his forces could find it the mist would make them forget before they could return to tell him. Lita's rape was a way around this, as her children were powerful demons loyal to Mammon but whose angelic blood allowed them to pass through the mists safely. The equivalent of drowns were used by some mortals as these mindless thralls would remember their orders and fight through the mists, but they lacked the intelligence to actually find Oghma's secret. Many of Mammon's demons who did not remember who they were were reduced to mindless beasts, and many cults grew around worshiping specific crazed demons.


    In FfH canon, Lita was a mortal who was raped because her Cambion children would not be as strictly bound by regulations of The Compact. True demons have no night to harm the righteous, but dispute supernatural power Cambions count as human and so can sin freely.
     

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