Why does it seem like everyone goes to war as soon as they get axes on this forum? Is it just that the builders and build then war types don't post or what? I've never played above Prince but my friends who play do and they also don't warmonger. We don't allow domination victories (when my first game ended due to domination I was pissed off at the game cutting off like that), none of us use slavery or chopping, and we don't engage in wars of choice until after medieval/renaissance periods. I've read so many posters say you need the quick production of chopping and slavery to play high difficulty levels... seems to be untrue. Besides what about the health bonus from forests? Or the production boost from lumber mills? Someone even once said that you NEED slavery to deal with unhappiness early... that's silly to me. The first two things I struggled with when I began playing Civ4 were 1. how to grow/tech so unhappiness was not an issue and 2. correctly balancing expansion, military, and economy. I learned both w/o chopping, slavery, or war. Oh, forgot to mention I spam wonders like crazy too. What really amuses me is when new civ players ask questions the warmonger faction seems to have a clearly vocal majority and they speak with such certainty. The result I've casually observed over the couple years I perused this forum is that new civvers are being unduly influenced towards one style, one way of doing things. Its led to some new civvers getting odd ideas like "IND is worthless" and "best combo ever= Boudica with prats" So what's the deal? Where are the builders and those that build to a point and then engage in war? Are they out there or just not posting? Did the warmongers kill us all or can we not build and talk at the same time ? Little extra info: I have war mongered from the start before but that was only because I enjoyed using Cyrus and his immortals. Those games have never compared to my use of Augustus or Bismarck of the Netherlands though.